Dan said to Ron:
I don't know for sure, but I would say that the selfless existence doesn't mean 
denying the self so much as it means realizing the self doesn't exist in light 
of the Buddha's teachings.

dmb says:
William James says that consciousness is not a thing or an entity but exists as 
a function, as a process. Alan Watts uses the image of a point of light moving 
in a circular motion, like a sparkler on the fourth of july. In the darkness, a 
steady motion can make that point look like a full circle. To mistake the self 
as a thing or entity is like taking that point for a circle. This metaphor 
breaks down at a certain "point" because that sparkler or point of light is not 
solid thing or entity either.

And when you start to think of all the things that make consciousness possible 
- words, tongues, brains, sounds, gravity, food, mothers, evolution, etc, etc, 
etc forever - the notion that it is some one particular "thing" starts to seem 
pretty absurd. You know, this is what the net of jewels image means. Each jewel 
reflects all the other jewels and is what it is only in relation to all other 
jewels. Some people (nerds) prefer the holographic analogy. I mean, the idea of 
co-dependent arising applies to the self just as much as any other "thing".


Inspired by the recent discussion concerning quality in writing, I wrote a 
poem. It's a meditation on my back yard and it came to me as I had a cigarette 
there just now. If it had a title it would be something like: "NOT very fucking 
Zen of you, Dave!"



a peach tree grows
squirrels skitter
a garden hose
becomes a weapon
against hungry little thieves 


P.S. The peaches were awesome. We had a peach-picking dinner party for some 
friends. I did not invite the squirrels. 






                                          
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