Hi Dave, But this is fucking "zen" of you Dave. i'm aware of the lightcircle experiment, was done for the first time by John Hedgecoe , a famous English fotographer. Hm, the Holographic analogy, strange you mention it in a nerd-context , strange , because the pioneers work from one of your ancestors in relation to pumped lasers, was leading to the holographic development. I investigated your relative, and indeed, the work he was doeiing was very performant and boundary stretching.
The pumped lasers were my field homebase for many years. The interference patterns delivered by the pumped lasers in an opposite towards eachother pointed gunbarrel setup, created the holographic possibilities. I can build a ruby or an argonlaser or an yag-laser on my own merits , but they originate, Mainmann, Einstein, your ancestor. Einstein was the cointosser for Maser/laser, he pointed out towards the possibility. Pumped lasers can make a workaround for the measurementproblem,so a nobel for this work was well earned. Quote DMB This metaphor breaks down at a certain "point" because that sparkler or point of light is not solid thing or entity either. Well , not in physiks, light is a solid thing, moving ,but generating a force, a light on a surface is generating a pressurediffernce in opposite to shadow, lesser light , it can be measured , "it" is present , light has a weight and a force.It is there. This is commonly knowledge in science. Light cannot dissapear once it is generated, the entropycal nature of the universe does not allow it , it can only degrade to heat, warmth, or other radiation, energy can never dissapear again. So , strictly spoken, if you are an independant observer on a planet removed exactly 58 lightyears away from here you will be able to witness the lightflash of "Ivy" the first nuclear hydrogen bombexperiment of the Us, done on Eniwetok-atol in 1952. This is the time light took for itself to travel at lightspeed, 300.000 km/sec , to reach the observer planet. The light is still there, still travelling, and it will appear to be new for the independant observer, i will deliver force, and look as a new expierience, a moment in the present, 58 years old,.... The relative position of the observer.Strange? no. The jewels. Yes , they are like the waves. There is no wave dependant or independant from the previous, all waves are dependant and independant at the same moment in time. This goes for sound waves, light waves, pressure waves, temperaturewave's , all waves show the same caracter, all waves are responding to the uncertainty-principle. Is a wave a representation of all other wave's? no and yes at the same time,(Heisenberg), there is no way around this. No way, not since Einstein or Heisenberg. The old man's last question was about the wave caracter of matter. As in matter is energy and energy is matter, only the appearances are different(entopical principle) E= Mc 2, so it appears to be so that also matter is owning the waveformcaracter. (*as an aside, this is why i said earlier that quality comes in waves) (E )covers all energy, all light , all movement , from a droplet of water to an ocean's wave, the movement of planets the movement of us, all movement , every last bit of it.Every universe. M2 is mass square, it covers all mass, every rock, every grain of sand, within or without the common universe, every leaf, every weight , every tree. So ,E and Mc 2 covers the entire universe in one formula and nothing is excluded. So the function existence of Wiliam James, the proces is true and valid , energy is mass, mass is energy,light is darkness, and darkness is light, conciounsness is in-coinciousness, rationality is irrationality, a proces is a non-proces at the same time. Rationality cannot exist without irrationality, etc, expandable without limitation. The squirrels. I'v had a peach tree for several years, a native one from Turkey, collected myself in Selcuk, as a little plant, Selcuk, the cave of seven sleepers, Hadrianus his library, the main street to Ephesos, The statue of arete. We take a little tin can, divide the peaches in two , and fill the can with peaches , then add porto of 42 years old, then boil it on the BBQ, let the peaches take the porto, allow the alcohol to boil in, the result is superb, a native peach tree from Selcuk, Porto of 42 years old, boil it in, and eat the peaches, ........this is so very "zen' of me, fucking zen, "Zen" with a capital peach letter. 110 dollar for this bottle porto is not too much, the peaches are heavenly. I also have a little vineyard. But that's another story. loved the squirrel analogy , Dave, thanks 2010/10/15 david buchanan <[email protected]> > > > Dan said to Ron: > I don't know for sure, but I would say that the selfless existence doesn't > mean denying the self so much as it means realizing the self doesn't exist > in light of the Buddha's teachings. > > dmb says: > William James says that consciousness is not a thing or an entity but > exists as a function, as a process. Alan Watts uses the image of a point of > light moving in a circular motion, like a sparkler on the fourth of july. In > the darkness, a steady motion can make that point look like a full circle. > To mistake the self as a thing or entity is like taking that point for a > circle. This metaphor breaks down at a certain "point" because that sparkler > or point of light is not solid thing or entity either. > > And when you start to think of all the things that make consciousness > possible - words, tongues, brains, sounds, gravity, food, mothers, > evolution, etc, etc, etc forever - the notion that it is some one particular > "thing" starts to seem pretty absurd. You know, this is what the net of > jewels image means. Each jewel reflects all the other jewels and is what it > is only in relation to all other jewels. Some people (nerds) prefer the > holographic analogy. I mean, the idea of co-dependent arising applies to the > self just as much as any other "thing". > > > Inspired by the recent discussion concerning quality in writing, I wrote a > poem. It's a meditation on my back yard and it came to me as I had a > cigarette there just now. If it had a title it would be something like: "NOT > very fucking Zen of you, Dave!" > > > > a peach tree grows > squirrels skitter > a garden hose > becomes a weapon > against hungry little thieves > > > P.S. The peaches were awesome. We had a peach-picking dinner party for some > friends. 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