dmb responding to Marsha and Dan: If we accept Marsha's conclusion, then the MOQ is defined as the very stance it rejects...
Andre: Spot on dmb but remember that Marsha (and Platt, Bodvar and Mary) is absolutely convinced that LILA is a SOM document and, ipso fact the MOQ a SOM 'variant' as existing at some sort of 'super rationality''quality level. (despite Mr. Pirsig's response that this view undermines the MOQ, Annotn 133) dmb: '...and it can't really serve as an alternative SOM and Pirsig's root expansion of rationality...' Andre: No, by 'their' 'logic' this 'root expansion' is totally rejected...full stop!(ZMM down the drain) dmb: '...then intellect is the enemy. Then science, theology, mathematics and philosophy are the enemy. Andre: Well, from what I have read lately on this discuss it seems that Marsha is not the only one who holds this view. And here is part of Marsha's response: My reasoning is my own based on reading the MoQ literature, Buddhist texts, personal experience and insight through meditation. Your understanding of the MoQ is too shallow, page deep in fact,... Andre: This really reinforces your observation, dmb that 'Marsha's reasoning is spectacularly bad and the consequences of her conclusions are even worse. It is a tour de farce of staggering stupidity'. She accuses you of having 'page deep' understanding of the MOQ ( you have given lectures on the MOQ, you have met and talked with Mr. Pirsig,you are deeply involved with it through your studies and personal experience) yet her understanding of the MOQ is based on (and I quote)her own 'reading' and 'Buddhist texts' (whilst admitting she is no expert on Buddhism). And so, what is left is 'reading of MOQ literature' the salient conclusions of which Marsha's (following Bodvar's) understandings have led to them being rejected by Mr. Pirsig.(see the annotations) And this leaves your meditative practice. Ahh, the meditative practice leading you to regions that do not follow the SOM line and therefore being (stupidly) assigned 'irrational' patterns of thinking which in 'the West' means 'ridiculous, subjective' but really are those types of reasoning that do not follow the logical path of which the real representation in our mind is full, giving in and being rational and honest to the representation of pure experience. Seems to me that even your meditative practices are pre-guided by SOM and that you must reject you own meditative experience for, at least 99 percent. Sad really...but I know you love this Marsha...keep on getting attention and keep up the soliloquize.
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