Hey Andrie, Wish I could take credit, but had to ask my Dad. Mark On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]>wrote:
> woeha!, Andre" this was a program brought to you by......" > WOEHA! > > Strange that Mark's Dutch apparently is still sharp enough for > 'gebeurtenis' > als event,probably he is still having the look and feel in his fingers. > stunning quality in your postings , Andre,--quality-driven? > > 2010/10/23 Andre Broersen <[email protected]> > > > Marsha to Mark: > > > > > > The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns > > of value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way > that > > these patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their > > rational analysis and manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. > > Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework > > creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a > > ?thing? or an ?object of analysis.? The fourth level is a formalized > > subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, > > objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity > like > > emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study > and > > research in an unbiased and rational manner. > > > > Andre: > > This was a program brought to you by valky-Rat.com, (sponsored by a > > Scandinavian soap producer) who is apparently still unaware of what > William > > James wrote more than 142 years ago. She doesn't like James, she doesn't > > like radical empiricism but still, these were the days before James had > > fully worked out his ideas, not based on the armchair bouncing idea > against > > idea. No. He bounced ideas against his own, his student's and colleague's > > and other's experiences as they were related to him directly, through > > letters, anecdotes or his own scientific investigations in the lab. > > > > Just a apropos: the MOQ subscribes to pragmatism and radical empiricism. > > > > James called his paper:'The Sentiment of Rationality' in which he > proposes > > an exploration of the action of consciousness. Please remember that > > 'consciousness' is designated in the MOQ as 'intellectual patterns'... as > > the 'collection and manipulation of symbols created in the brain that > stand > > for patterns of experience' (Annotn 32). The intellectual level therefore > > indicates 'action'. > > > > James argues that 'rationality is at bottom a feeling' ( keep in mind > > Phaedrus' pre-intellectual romantic fused with classical reflection bit). > > Also remember that James was at the beginning of trying to formulate this > > dawning awareness. He says: > > [rationality] ' Not a matter of logic or math, not reasoning or ratios, > not > > induction, deduction, or syllogism, not something higher than and > detached > > from the senses, not the opposite of a feeling or emotion -rationality > > itself is a feeling or emotion'. (William James. In the Maelstrom of > > American Modernism, Robert D. Richardson, p184) > > > > But, of course it is not just pure biology. The MOQ adds a sense of > > intellectual quality, an aesthetic appreciation of beauty, the > recognition > > of the affective role (pre-intellectual) part. James shows his > sensitivity > > and brilliance in this paper through relating his experience (and not > seeing > > it as purely personal but recognizing it) as a universal attribute of > > humanity. > > > > What this oft repeated valky-Rat program leaves us with is that the > > intellectual level is not capable of recognizing elegance, harmony, > beauty. > > It is not capable of recognizing values, morality, quality. > > > > This is SOM propaganda. We are not talking SOM! We are talking MOQ. > > > > It appears to me that this program is hopelessly out of date by at least > > some 150 years...event hough Heraclitus had a pretty good 'feel' of > things > > as well when he suggested that you cannot step into the same river twice. > > This program reifies the river, it reifies experience, it reifies DQ into > > sq. This program is indeed out of date through the ignorance of its own > > invention which is based on nothing. > > > > Alas. Keep on meditating...OhhhMmmmmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
