On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:33 PM, 118 wrote: > Hi Marsha, > No reason to be so defensive.
Marsha: I was not getting a bit defensive. Why should I? > I am sure that you have read neti-neti, it > shows in your posts. All I am saying is that it is an insufficient rational > description. I can find many things on Google which would disprove your > assertion of using it in MoQ. In fact there is no reason for you to read > any of these posts since they can all be found someplace with Google . > Google is a dangerous thing which is why we have this forum to clarify. > Everything you find on there will both support and refute your position. > Wiki is a favorite, and Google often seems to place it at the top of a > search. Does not that seem suspicious to you in terms of net neutrality? > > My objection is using neti-neti in the form of denial. If this is Dan's > statement then I stand corrected in directing the post to you. Marsha: They were both my statements. > But the > question to you still remains. How is MOQ described by neti-neti. You are > the one using it, don't deflect the question to me. If these words do not > represent the ultimate reality, then add some more words to bring us along. > Statements followed by explanation is all I am seeking. Certainly you do > not have to participate in my education, and if using a megaphone is your > method so be it or not be it, (that is the question). Marsha: I never stated that the MoQ could be described by neti-neti. I was saying to Dan that all this talk it not Quality(Ultimate Truth). I do not understand your complaint? Marsha > > Regards as always, > Mark > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:25 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, 118 wrote: >> >>> [Dan previously] >>> I can agree with you that when all is said and done, 'not this, not that' >>> rules. >>> >>> [Marsh in response] >>> It is none of these things, not this, not that.. >>> >>> [Mark carefully interrupting] >>> >>> Hi Marsha, >>> >>> >>> >>> I think you are being misleading by saying it is none of these things. >> In >>> my opinion it is all of these things as proposed by not this, not that. >> In >>> that way I agree with Dan. >> >> That was not Dan previously, but Marsha previously and I wished to >> re-emphasis my statement. >> >> >>> It is easy for one to muddy the waters when one >>> brings in an Eastern philosophy that we do not have a full appreciation >> of. >> >> I'm certainly not the only person who has investigated Eastern philosophy, >> and there is such thing as a question or google search. >> >> >>> If the intent is to harmonize MOQ with such then, not this, not that has >> to >>> be used in a constructive fashion. By saying it is not this, not that, >> you >>> are conveying a description, not denying one. >> >> I'm not sure of your objection. Why do you agree with my first statement >> and >> not my second? >> >> >>> It is not useful to use such a statement as a conclusion, it is a >> positive >>> quality which has its own properties open for discussion. >> >> If you mean "It is none of these things" please explain why you think it >> was not useful. It was a remark made to Dan. I'm sorry do not approve. >> I have read 'neti-neti' explained many different ways. Maybe you have >> exact set of words you'd like to recommend. Let's hear them. >> >> >>> The goal would be to add words to describe such properties. I know it's >>> difficult, but use different words so the rest of us can understand what >>> you are proposing. >> >> I am saying these words do not represent the UltimateTruth/Quality. I >> thought >> Dan might understand after all his Zen sitting. And don't ask me to >> explain >> what is beyond words. I will only dance away... >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
