Hi Horse, Now, I am not a historian but I have read a few books, The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich being one of them. My father lived through the war in Holland and I have had many discussions with him. In my opinion Platt is correct in saying that the Nazi party (NSP) started as a socialist party. It named itself the German Worker's Party, which has obvious socialist overtones. The party came to power due to a depression. The NSP promised the middle class it would fix all the problems (never said how). The NSP had an extensive welfare system (also a socialist premise), which gave them more power. Living conditions for the masses improved under the NSP.
Fascism can have benign connotations if we separate it from the war atrocities. In fact Italian fascism was quite popular, and Mussolini was a socialist journalist. The economic model is that all production is in the control of the government, or very large corporations (socialist). Hegel followers and others were looking for an alternative to common socialism with many of the same attributes. They thought fascism it would result in harmony between social classes (also a socialist ideal). It was a top down approach, which is also socialist. All of these words now have different meanings due to the ghastly war, but these Germans and Italians were not stupid, they were indeed looking for a better society. But unfortunately (and I will end with a poem by Robert Burns): The best laid schemes of mice and men Go often askew. And leave us nothing but grief and pain, For promised joy! Be skeptical of the intellect... It's all on the Internet Cheers, Mark On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > On 23/10/2010 02:17, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> Q: What does NAZI stand for? >>> >>> A. It is short nickname for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche >>> Arbeiterpartei >>> (National Socialist German Workers' Party). >>> >>> Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Nazi_stand_for >>> >>> Nonsense? I hope you're not going to argue like DMB that words don't mean >>> what >>> they mean. >>> >> >> Platt >> Right. And the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea means that its >> citizens are as free as citizens of the U.S. >> > > But if words mean what they mean and the Nazi's were socialists then the > above must be true according to what you are advocating above. So North > Korea IS a Democratic Republic just like the U.S. > > Platt >> The meaning of "liberal" has changed since Washington's time to mean just >> the >> opposite of what he meant. >> > > So now you're advocating the opposite of what you were previously > advocating. Words mean the opposite of what they mean. Or is it the same but > only when it suits you. > Your propagandistic meanderings appear to be confusing you. > > > Horse > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
