well, Mark, You seem to have mastered the decoherence away,and what is remaining is the intellect. You'r a bright guy Mark, bit of a loose gun sometimes, sometimes deviating to the edge of chaos , but if you master them, very intelligent,..i knew it! greetz , Adrie
2010/10/23 118 <ununocti...@gmail.com> > Hi Horse, > Now, I am not a historian but I have read a few books, The Rise and the > Fall > of the Third Reich being one of them. My father lived through the war in > Holland and I have had many discussions with him. In my opinion Platt is > correct in saying that the Nazi party (NSP) started as a socialist party. > It named itself the German Worker's Party, which has obvious socialist > overtones. The party came to power due to a depression. The NSP promised > the middle class it would fix all the problems (never said how). The NSP > had an extensive welfare system (also a socialist premise), which gave them > more power. Living conditions for the masses improved under the NSP. > > Fascism can have benign connotations if we separate it from the war > atrocities. In fact Italian fascism was quite popular, and Mussolini was a > socialist journalist. The economic model is that all production is in the > control of the government, or very large corporations (socialist). > > Hegel followers and others were looking for an alternative to common > socialism with many of the same attributes. They thought fascism it would > result in harmony between social classes (also a socialist ideal). It was > a > top down approach, which is also socialist. All of these words now have > different meanings due to the ghastly war, but these Germans and Italians > were not stupid, they were indeed looking for a better society. > > But unfortunately (and I will end with a poem by Robert Burns): > > The best laid schemes of mice and men > Go often askew. > And leave us nothing but grief and pain, > For promised joy! > > Be skeptical of the intellect... > > It's all on the Internet > > Cheers, > Mark > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Horse <ho...@darkstar.uk.net> wrote: > > > On 23/10/2010 02:17, platthol...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> > >> Q: What does NAZI stand for? > >>> > >>> A. It is short nickname for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche > >>> Arbeiterpartei > >>> (National Socialist German Workers' Party). > >>> > >>> Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Nazi_stand_for > >>> > >>> Nonsense? I hope you're not going to argue like DMB that words don't > mean > >>> what > >>> they mean. > >>> > >> > >> Platt > >> Right. And the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea means that > its > >> citizens are as free as citizens of the U.S. > >> > > > > But if words mean what they mean and the Nazi's were socialists then the > > above must be true according to what you are advocating above. So North > > Korea IS a Democratic Republic just like the U.S. > > > > Platt > >> The meaning of "liberal" has changed since Washington's time to mean > just > >> the > >> opposite of what he meant. > >> > > > > So now you're advocating the opposite of what you were previously > > advocating. Words mean the opposite of what they mean. Or is it the same > but > > only when it suits you. > > Your propagandistic meanderings appear to be confusing you. > > > > > > Horse > > > > -- > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > — Frank Zappa > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
