Hi Dan, Ron, David, Andre et alia
I'll take a wild stab in the dark here and guess that what Ron referred
to was something that was about on MD several years ago.
Inorganic - Order is better than Chaos
Organic - Alive is better than Dead
Social - Together is better than Alone
Intellectual - Reason is better than Dogma
Each of these expresses an implied reference to the level below as Dave
points out.
There's probably a 5th idea of betterness as well according to the MoQ -
Dynamic is better than Static
I've also slapped this into a new thread for convenience.
Cheers
Horse
On 31/10/2010 16:57, david buchanan wrote:
Ron said to Dan:
... I mean inorganic, organic, social and intellectual betterness. Unless you
do not think Quality and betterness have the same meaning.
Dan said:
No, not in this context. You are talking about static patterns of value. Dynamic Quality is what's
better. It is what drives static quality patterns towards "betterness," an undefined
"somethingness" that isn't a thing at all. Once defined, it is gone... poof. Like a puffy
white cloud in a clear blue summer sky... now it is here, now it is not. Where does it come from,
and where does it go? It is a meaningless question. It is not a place at all. We are using
intellectual concepts to point to that which is beyond conception. How can there be four when there
isn't even one?
dmb says:
I think you both have a good point and they aren't really mutually exclusive
points. I mean, each level of static quality is superior to the one below it
precisely because it's more open to improvement. The intellectual level is
considered to be superior to the social level because it is less static and
more flexible. This upward movement toward greater freedom has its limits too
of course. Without static patterns nothing could last and too much freedom
leads to degeneracy and devolution. I mean, betterness has its static side too.
I'd even say betterness can be applied within the fourth level so that we can
weigh the relative merits of opposed intellectual patterns, such as we see in
the rejection of SOM in favor of the MOQ. The basic idea that some things are
better than others can be applied a million different ways. It guides the
painter, the poet, the politician, the philosopher and the scientists. Hell, it
guides us in the produce section of the grocery store too. Some
philosophies are better than others, some cultures are better than others and
some tomatoes are better than others.
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