John asked, and Mary seconded: can you demonstrate any object or pattern that is truly static, in all of experience?
Andre: Just a quick one here. The key words here are 'in all of experience'. The MOQ is a static intellectual pattern of value. The question suggests that Pirsig's MOQ IS experience, IS reality. This is NOT the case. It is a static (i.e. stable)intellectual description of... . It is a finger pointing towards. DQ is a static INTELLECTUAL REFERENCE to Quality. Experience cannot be contained IN a metaphysics no matter what it is called. This has been the fallacy of the 'container problem'. The MOQ is a static intellectual description of experience. It is NOT the experience itself. Is this so difficult to fathom? The logical conclusion towards which John, Mary, Mark , Marsha (did I leave anyone out?) are driving is nihilism, absolute relativism (and nothing in-between), frivolity, illusion. It stops all conversation, all dialogue because all is ever changing, nothing to hang your hat on...the street I walked on 2 minutes ago a roaring river the next (and I forgot to bring my boat). This is fallacy! It is just silly. No, it is intellectually insulting and dishonest...Pirsig's LILA is quite clear on this. Start reading ....again. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
