[John] I did read it that way and I think you've got your cart and horse backwards. I think greater complexity is driven by "the agenic side" rather than agency being a function of additions to complexity.
[Arlo] You're saying amoebas "choose" (via free will) to become "more complex" and turn into mice? Is that correct? Did they have a "mouse plan" in mind? Or was that something that just happened? I am saying that "structure" and "agency" are NOT a horse and a cart, and neither is first, that's the key. Agency does not "make" structure, and structure does not "make" agency, the two mutually evolve, back and forth and back and forth (if you will). Evolution in one increases the odds for evolution in the other, and the wheel keeps turning. [John] Nuthin' like a nice equivocation to settle an argument. Nice. [Arlo] Okay, buy me a beer then? [John] Cosmic choice. The universe choose my existence... [Arlo] When? [John] But the way I look at it, is if I've got any freedom at all it's far better and more positive to focus on that aspect of existence than one's trappedness. [Arlo] Structure does not "trap" agency, it enables it (and vice versa). [John] Choosing choice, as always. [Arlo] Choosing The Catherine Wheel tonight (Fripp, at the moment)... been a long friggin' week. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
