Mark, Dan, (Between a rock and a hard place again ?) Dan, I think you're being disingenuous in not understanding Mark's words.
Dumber that we used to be ? A very strong thread in Pirsig that the "enlightenment" was in some senses the opposite. Reinforcing and promoting the SOMist aspects of intellect at the expense of other values. Back to appreciating God, spirit, soul etc, returning to the Garden ? Mark does say that the issue here is one of narrow definitions. Undoubtedly Mark is expressing these ideas in hippy / romantic style (I don't know why). The subject is really recognizing value for those "more subjective" ideas for which these terms would have been the metaphorical language used for objectifying those things that don't fit the SOMist mould. Things where we now have a better understanding based in quality. Mark, my question is why, what's your purpose, where are you going with this. We wanted to move back "towards" the garden from where the post-Victorians were, but Pirsig would say the garden itself is ultimately too "hippy" swing back to some romantic ideal, and missed the unifying value of quality across all levels. Where are we going in the 21st century ? Ian On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello everyone > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:14 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Dan, >> >>> >> [Mark] >> >> We are much dumber now that we used to be. It is all due to this >> static quality that is not Spirit or God or Dynamic Quality, but an >> illusion. I thought you knew what static quality meant. Our >> separation from what is, has gone to extreme lengths in this Western >> world. RMP is trying to get us back to the garden. > > Hi Mark > It is good of you to write, but I have no idea what you are talking > about. We are dumber now than we used to be? Do you have a mouse in > your pocket or are you using the "royal" we? > > No, this isn't what Robert Pirsig is talking about. Otherwise, why > would he have offered the annotations to Copleston that he did? Spirit > and soul and God are not meant to be part of the MOQ so far as LILA > goes. And he confirms that with his subsequent writings to Ant. > > Why on earth would you think RMP is trying to get us back to the > garden? What garden? Have you been smoking some of John's wacky backy, > Mark? > > Dan > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
