Hi Ian, On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Ian Glendinning <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry Mark, I'll not be deflected by your counter questions ... it's > not my position that is in doubt here.
[Mark] Oh, I did not know you had a seat in the Elite. My mistake. I certainly do not want to get fired. If you find your position solid, then at least demonstrate it rather than allude to it. > > Whether or not you believe it, if you think Pirsig wants us all to > literally return to the hippy garden, then you have misread Pirsig. He > is quite explicit about where that project goes wrong. He certainly > wanted us to back off from the post-Greek, post-enlightenment SOMist > certainties driving Victorian and post-Victorian > socio-economic-cultural development (which continues today as you say) > - but he wasn't so dumb as to suggest returning to square one was the > better option. > (See Dan and Dave's responses) [Mark] You are getting caught up in the words here Ian. Since it seems that my garden metaphor has only irritated some, I can drop that. Sometimes it is hard to tell how those with Position will react. How is our belief in Scientism any better? We seem to really think that there is Truth out there. Our 14+ years of Western indoctrination has its impact on the way we think. What would you call MoQ? Where are we going to? Perhaps if I understand what your belief is, I can accommodate my rhetoric. I have done my best to answer your questions, perhaps you can do the same. When I hear Square One, I have no idea what you are talking about. The garden could be considered Eden, if you want, but that is much more than square one as a metaphor. Think about it, what was claimed to have happened in Eden. Anything to do with SOM? > > Was John Lennon a complete idiot ? > Absolutely not. A straw man if ever I heard one. > He was a dreamer, and not the only one. > We all need dreamers and dreams. > But even he was a pragmatist when he wasn't dreaming the imaginary. > We all need to dream, but we need to act in this world too, using both > halves of our brains. [Mark] What is your world Ian? Is it the Platonic world or the MoQ world? If it is the latter, then why do you say the things you do? > > How about back to Quality ? > That's what I (we) said. [Mark] OK, back to Quality it is! Are you showing the way? Cheers, Mark > >>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
