Ron,
I reject your analysis. But thanks for the projection; it's always interesting. Marsha On Apr 20, 2011, at 8:53 AM, X Acto wrote: > > > Hello Ron, > > Having stated that the "Cartesian 'Me" is an illusion, and the definition of > self is a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent inorganic, > biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value, I would have to > say NO, I do not stand for any-thing. If you recognize "me" standing for > something, I would suspect you are recognizing social and intellectual > patterns > we both share: patterns that attract and patterns that repel. If you want me > to > admit an "intention," it would be to become "unattached" to these patterns. > That doesn't mean destroy them, it means to become unattached. If this all > sounds too lofty to be "real," I'll confess that the "Cartesian Me" pattern > has > me in it's grip far, far FAR too often. I am "human, all too human." > > > > Marsha > > Marsha, > Why fight being human, refine it dont deny it. if we are composed of value, > doesent it make more > sense to develop those value than to try to escape them? > > -Ron > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:14 PM, X Acto wrote: > >> well, maybe perhaps one day you'll actually stand for something. >> >> I think you already do >> >> but you have yet to admit it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 4:58:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me" >> >> >> Interesting Ron, >> >> I had lunch with a friend early last week, and as we were talking, >> I was realizing that my words were not really True. We were discussing >> experiences in other countries. And it made me uncomfortable to give >> any opinion at all. What I spoke of my experiences in Italy, would be >> different if I explained them to someone else, or explained them on >> different day. They'd have been different if I were talking at a different >> hour. These Italian utterances were so transitory. The talk was harmless >> enough, so I chalked it up to being social. But it made me squirm none >> the less because it represents all semantic expression. >> >> Maybe this will help you see why bottom line is always "not this, not that." >> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:43 PM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Are you suggesting that we add 'stories' as another synonym too, and I >>> forgot > >>> Good. >>> >>> Really, are you suggesting that these are additional synonyms? Or >>> something >>> else. >>> I'd like to know how you're thinking about this. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> Marsha, >>> I'm going after general meanings of the terms we use, I think : >>> Good >>> Choice >>> preference >>> selection >>> Value >>> And yes freedom >>> >>> All have meaning very similar to the word Quality >>> >>> I think our stories our biographies tell more about our values >>> than any concept of a cartesian self. >>> >>> I venture to suppose that our stories are our static values. >>> And I believe we do have a choice in following them or not. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:38 AM, MarshaV wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> But it sounds like you are saying you are assigning 'choice' and 'freedom' >>>> as >> >> >>>> additional synonyms for Quality. So synonyms for Quality are Value, >>>> Experience, >>>> Morality, Choice, and Freedom. Are there more? Is that what you are >>>> saying, >> >> >>>> that >>>> >>>> choice and freedom are additional synonyms? Or are those synonyms for >>>> static >> >> >>>> quality alone? > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
