Ron, I have no desire to make this into discussion on the meaning - denotation, connotation or interpretation - of words, but when you translated the word I used 'unattached' for the more emotionally charged word 'escape,' the meaning of my statement changed. I have no desire to defend the idea of 'escaping value.'
What was your rationale for making such a switch. Marsha On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:34 PM, X Acto wrote: > Marsha, > what exactly are my assumptions? > > That you are a rational human being that has reasons for their beliefs? > > I suppose you are correct Marsha. > > -Ron > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:55:08 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me" > > > Ron, > > It's a philosophical question from your heart and head. I have a different > philosophical perspective, a different heart and head. You're looking for > affirmation from and for your point-of-view, your personal interpretation. > I suppose since you composed and asked the question, you need to > answer it for yourself. Your question's assumptions make no sense to me. > > > Marsha > > > > > On Apr 21, 2011, at 2:22 PM, X Acto wrote: > >> >> >> >> Ron, >> >> I reject your analysis. But thanks for the projection; it's always >> interesting. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> Marsha, >> Then you are rejecting a philosophical question not a subjective analysis. >> >> The Question: >>> >>> if we are composed of value, doesent it make more >>> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 20, 2011, at 8:53 AM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hello Ron, >>> >>> Having stated that the "Cartesian 'Me" is an illusion, and the definition >>> of >>> self is a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent inorganic, >>> biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value, I would have >>> to > >>> say NO, I do not stand for any-thing. If you recognize "me" standing for >>> something, I would suspect you are recognizing social and intellectual >>> patterns >>> >>> we both share: patterns that attract and patterns that repel. If you want >>> me > >>> to >>> >>> admit an "intention," it would be to become "unattached" to these patterns. >>> >>> That doesn't mean destroy them, it means to become unattached. If this all >>> sounds too lofty to be "real," I'll confess that the "Cartesian Me" pattern >>> has >>> >>> >>> me in it's grip far, far FAR too often. I am "human, all too human." >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> Marsha, >>> Why fight being human, refine it dont deny it. if we are composed of >>> value, >>> doesent it make more >>> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them? >>> >>> -Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:14 PM, X Acto wrote: >>> >>>> well, maybe perhaps one day you'll actually stand for something. >>>> >>>> I think you already do >>>> >>>> but you have yet to admit it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 4:58:28 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me" >>>> >>>> >>>> Interesting Ron, >>>> >>>> I had lunch with a friend early last week, and as we were talking, >>>> I was realizing that my words were not really True. We were discussing >>>> experiences in other countries. And it made me uncomfortable to give >>>> any opinion at all. What I spoke of my experiences in Italy, would be >>>> different if I explained them to someone else, or explained them on >>>> different day. They'd have been different if I were talking at a >>>> different >>>> hour. These Italian utterances were so transitory. The talk was harmless >>>> enough, so I chalked it up to being social. But it made me squirm none >>>> the less because it represents all semantic expression. >>>> >>>> Maybe this will help you see why bottom line is always "not this, not >>>> that." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:43 PM, X Acto wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ron, >>>>> >>>>> Are you suggesting that we add 'stories' as another synonym too, and I >>>>> forgot >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Good. >>>>> >>>>> Really, are you suggesting that these are additional synonyms? Or >>>>> something >> >> >>>>> else. >>>>> I'd like to know how you're thinking about this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> Marsha, >>>>> I'm going after general meanings of the terms we use, I think : >>>>> Good >>>>> Choice >>>>> preference >>>>> selection >>>>> Value >>>>> And yes freedom >>>>> >>>>> All have meaning very similar to the word Quality >>>>> >>>>> I think our stories our biographies tell more about our values >>>>> than any concept of a cartesian self. >>>>> >>>>> I venture to suppose that our stories are our static values. >>>>> And I believe we do have a choice in following them or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:38 AM, MarshaV wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But it sounds like you are saying you are assigning 'choice' and >>>>>> 'freedom' as >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> additional synonyms for Quality. So synonyms for Quality are Value, >>>>>> Experience, >>>>>> Morality, Choice, and Freedom. Are there more? Is that what you are >>>>>> saying, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> choice and freedom are additional synonyms? 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