dmb, Did Ron respond to only these specific few sentences, or the entire paragraph posted , or are you just hankering to be on the soapbox again?
Marsha On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:22 AM, david buchanan wrote: > > > Marsha said to Ron: > .., I would have to say NO, I do not stand for any-thing. If you recognize > "me" standing for something, I would suspect you are recognizing social and > intellectual patterns we both share: patterns that attract and patterns that > repel. If you want me to admit an "intention," it would be to become > "unattached" to these patterns. > > Ron replied: > Why fight being human, refine it dont deny it. if we are composed of value, > doesent it make more sense to develop those value than to try to escape them? > > > > dmb says: > As Pirsig points out in a not yet published forward to Lila, the three main > characters are composed of different levels of value and that is why they do > not like each other or even understand each other. Lila is dominated by > biological values. Intellectually she is nowhere and socially - as a former > prostitute with mental health issues - she is about as far down the scale as > one can get. Rigel is dominated by social level values. He doesn't care if > the MOQ makes sense or not, he just knows it doesn't conform with his very > conventional ideas about what's moral. And then there is the intellectual > author. About the only thing that Lila and Rigel have in common is that they > both dislike his fancy book learning and feel put down or put off by it. And > it seems to me that Rigel has fewer options because intellectual values are > off the table for him and Lila is more or less reduced to basic survival and > has about as much freedom as a sophisticated animal. > > I mean, enlightenment is not the same thing as regression, retardation, > reduction or the lack of growth. Peace of mind and suicide are two completely > different things. The lack of attachment is not the same thing as apathy or > nihilism or otherworldly, life-hating asceticism. The MOQ's ideas are > supposed to serve life, not deny or negate it. > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
