Ron,
I reject your analysis. But thanks for the projection; it's always
interesting.
Marsha
Marsha,
Then you are rejecting a philosophical question not a subjective analysis.
The Question:
if we are composed of value,
> doesent it make more
> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them?
On Apr 20, 2011, at 8:53 AM, X Acto wrote:
>
>
> Hello Ron,
>
> Having stated that the "Cartesian 'Me" is an illusion, and the definition of
> self is a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent inorganic,
> biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value, I would have to
> say NO, I do not stand for any-thing. If you recognize "me" standing for
> something, I would suspect you are recognizing social and intellectual
>patterns
>
> we both share: patterns that attract and patterns that repel. If you want me
>to
>
> admit an "intention," it would be to become "unattached" to these patterns.
> That doesn't mean destroy them, it means to become unattached. If this all
> sounds too lofty to be "real," I'll confess that the "Cartesian Me" pattern
> has
>
> me in it's grip far, far FAR too often. I am "human, all too human."
>
>
>
> Marsha
>
> Marsha,
> Why fight being human, refine it dont deny it. if we are composed of value,
> doesent it make more
> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them?
>
> -Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:14 PM, X Acto wrote:
>
>> well, maybe perhaps one day you'll actually stand for something.
>>
>> I think you already do
>>
>> but you have yet to admit it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 4:58:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me"
>>
>>
>> Interesting Ron,
>>
>> I had lunch with a friend early last week, and as we were talking,
>> I was realizing that my words were not really True. We were discussing
>> experiences in other countries. And it made me uncomfortable to give
>> any opinion at all. What I spoke of my experiences in Italy, would be
>> different if I explained them to someone else, or explained them on
>> different day. They'd have been different if I were talking at a different
>> hour. These Italian utterances were so transitory. The talk was harmless
>> enough, so I chalked it up to being social. But it made me squirm none
>> the less because it represents all semantic expression.
>>
>> Maybe this will help you see why bottom line is always "not this, not
>> that."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:43 PM, X Acto wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting that we add 'stories' as another synonym too, and I
>>> forgot
>
>
>>> Good.
>>>
>>> Really, are you suggesting that these are additional synonyms? Or
>>> something
>>> else.
>>> I'd like to know how you're thinking about this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>> Marsha,
>>> I'm going after general meanings of the terms we use, I think :
>>> Good
>>> Choice
>>> preference
>>> selection
>>> Value
>>> And yes freedom
>>>
>>> All have meaning very similar to the word Quality
>>>
>>> I think our stories our biographies tell more about our values
>>> than any concept of a cartesian self.
>>>
>>> I venture to suppose that our stories are our static values.
>>> And I believe we do have a choice in following them or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:38 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But it sounds like you are saying you are assigning 'choice' and 'freedom'
>>>> as
>>
>>
>>
>>>> additional synonyms for Quality. So synonyms for Quality are Value,
>>>> Experience,
>>>> Morality, Choice, and Freedom. Are there more? Is that what you are
>>>> saying,
>>
>>
>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> choice and freedom are additional synonyms? Or are those synonyms for
>>>> static
>>
>>
>>
>>>> quality alone?
>
>
>
>
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