Marsha, what exactly are my assumptions? That you are a rational human being that has reasons for their beliefs?
I suppose you are correct Marsha. -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:55:08 PM Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me" Ron, It's a philosophical question from your heart and head. I have a different philosophical perspective, a different heart and head. You're looking for affirmation from and for your point-of-view, your personal interpretation. I suppose since you composed and asked the question, you need to answer it for yourself. Your question's assumptions make no sense to me. Marsha On Apr 21, 2011, at 2:22 PM, X Acto wrote: > > > > Ron, > > I reject your analysis. But thanks for the projection; it's always > interesting. > > > Marsha > > Marsha, > Then you are rejecting a philosophical question not a subjective analysis. > > The Question: >> >> if we are composed of value, doesent it make more >> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them? > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2011, at 8:53 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> >> >> Hello Ron, >> >> Having stated that the "Cartesian 'Me" is an illusion, and the definition of >> self is a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent inorganic, >> biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value, I would have >> to >> say NO, I do not stand for any-thing. If you recognize "me" standing for >> something, I would suspect you are recognizing social and intellectual >> patterns >> >> we both share: patterns that attract and patterns that repel. If you want >> me >> to >> >> admit an "intention," it would be to become "unattached" to these patterns. >> That doesn't mean destroy them, it means to become unattached. If this all >> sounds too lofty to be "real," I'll confess that the "Cartesian Me" pattern >> has >> >> >> me in it's grip far, far FAR too often. I am "human, all too human." >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> Marsha, >> Why fight being human, refine it dont deny it. if we are composed of value, >> doesent it make more >> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them? >> >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:14 PM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> well, maybe perhaps one day you'll actually stand for something. >>> >>> I think you already do >>> >>> but you have yet to admit it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 4:58:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me" >>> >>> >>> Interesting Ron, >>> >>> I had lunch with a friend early last week, and as we were talking, >>> I was realizing that my words were not really True. We were discussing >>> experiences in other countries. And it made me uncomfortable to give >>> any opinion at all. What I spoke of my experiences in Italy, would be >>> different if I explained them to someone else, or explained them on >>> different day. They'd have been different if I were talking at a different >>> hour. These Italian utterances were so transitory. The talk was harmless >>> enough, so I chalked it up to being social. But it made me squirm none >>> the less because it represents all semantic expression. >>> >>> Maybe this will help you see why bottom line is always "not this, not >>> that." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:43 PM, X Acto wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Ron, >>>> >>>> Are you suggesting that we add 'stories' as another synonym too, and I >>>> forgot >> >> >> >>>> Good. >>>> >>>> Really, are you suggesting that these are additional synonyms? Or >>>> something > > >>>> else. >>>> I'd like to know how you're thinking about this. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> Marsha, >>>> I'm going after general meanings of the terms we use, I think : >>>> Good >>>> Choice >>>> preference >>>> selection >>>> Value >>>> And yes freedom >>>> >>>> All have meaning very similar to the word Quality >>>> >>>> I think our stories our biographies tell more about our values >>>> than any concept of a cartesian self. >>>> >>>> I venture to suppose that our stories are our static values. >>>> And I believe we do have a choice in following them or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:38 AM, MarshaV wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> But it sounds like you are saying you are assigning 'choice' and >>>>> 'freedom' as >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> additional synonyms for Quality. So synonyms for Quality are Value, >>>>> Experience, >>>>> Morality, Choice, and Freedom. Are there more? Is that what you are >>>>> saying, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>> choice and freedom are additional synonyms? 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