Hi Marsha, Thanks for your antonym. I have a better understanding of what you are saying. And, as I understand it, I am in agreement with you. Often this reification is used to set up logical traps with the opponent so I also agree with your concern of being caged. In this forum there seems to be much "leading the witness" towards some kind of Western trap.
The way I see words and language is as information packets. Such information represents one's thoughts in a very primitive way. These packets can be considered reifications. The problem is with the reception of the packet by the listener who must then intepret them and send back another packet. Much is obviously lost in this process, which is why it is primitive. It is also why I try to dissuade the literalists in this forum from strict rules. If we were able to communicate telepathically, there would be no need for words or concepts, we would be exchanging awarenesses which would resemble feelings more than words. Reading someone's mind does not mean reading in words, but seeing something much deeper than that going on. So, words are inadequate which is why we get to the ineffable, such as Quality. I often prefer to work more in metaphors and stories. So keeping in mind the caging effect of words, reification can be said to compartmentalize for purposes of transfer of information. This is a Social Level phenomenon, and not an "individual level", or biological level (to remain within the words of MoQ) phenomenon. This is how I use the levels to bring meaning to MoQ discussion. In this sense, reification could represent only a small part of how we spend our days. It is obviously a large part of the Social Level. Telepathically yours, Mark On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:35 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Greetings Mark, > > > On May 16, 2011, at 10:36 PM, 118 wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> >> Sometimes what a word means to one can be seen by what antonym one >> chooses for it. Therefore, I challenge you to present an antonym for >> reify or any of its derivatives. You may find this difficult since an >> antonym of such a thing is a reification in itself (if I get your >> drift about this concept). Therefore unreify or deriefy or areify are >> nonsense and do not exist. > > Speaking conventionally, I would choose 'interconnectedness' as a > antonym. But of course words, with their definition like a cage, > reify. > > >> What you may find, however, is that the antonym of reify is a finger >> pointing right at Dynamic Quality. Does this help at all with the >> reify concept? > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:56 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> I am sure you are sick of my posts, but I had this article from the >>> interent that might explain more of my understanding of reification >>> from a Buddhist point-of-view. Here's a little bit quoted from >>> the article and the url: >>> >>> "To reify is usually defined as mistakenly regarding an abstraction as a >>> thing. It is derived from the Latin word res meaning 'thing'. >>> >>> Reification in Western philosophy means treating an abstract belief or >>> hypothetical construct as if it were a concrete, physical entity. In other >>> words, it is the error of treating as a "real thing" something which is not >>> a real thing, but merely an idea. >>> >>> In Buddhist philosophy the concept of reification goes further. Reification >>> means treating any functioning phenomenon as if it were a real, permanent >>> 'thing', rather than an impermanent process." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://seanrobsville.blogspot.com/2009/12/reification-in-buddhism-ultimate-and.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
