Joe, But that's just it, not to put either down, but I'm not sure I'd say there is a difference. There can be some pretty ugly, nowhere equations, and some very elegant, harmonizing stories, and vice versa, of course. But thanks for the advice; I'll keep it in mind.
Marsha On Jul 19, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > Marsha > > There is a difference between mathematics and story telling. > > Joe > > > On 7/19/11 12:56 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Joe, >> >> It just some investigation,; not meant as anything definitive. >> My point was your "locus of awareness" cannot be an object of >> knowledge. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha, >>> >>> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus >>> of my awareness. There is no proper distinction between thought >>> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective". It is >>> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an >>> indefinable/definable basket of goodies. This leaves logic floundering. >>> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective". >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Joe, >>>> >>>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective >>>> consciousness - awareness. It is experience but I cannot >>>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself. It seems not to >>>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses. >>>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self. But >>>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge. >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi MarshaV and all, >>>>> >>>>> Practice makes perfect! DQ is knowable, but it is not definable. That >>>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love! >>>>> >>>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the >>>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality >>>>> in >>>>> existence. I think such preparation is called work. Once I lose my way, >>>>> I >>>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of >>>>> activities which keep me alive. I explain them to my neighbor who then >>>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because >>>>> it >>>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision >>>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes >>>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as >>>>>> unknowable, >>>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
