Joe, It just some investigation,; not meant as anything definitive. My point was your "locus of awareness" cannot be an object of knowledge.
Thanks. Marsha On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus > of my awareness. There is no proper distinction between thought > (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective". It is > very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an > indefinable/definable basket of goodies. This leaves logic floundering. > Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective". > > Joe > > > On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective >> consciousness - awareness. It is experience but I cannot >> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself. It seems not to >> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses. >> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self. But >> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >> >>> Hi MarshaV and all, >>> >>> Practice makes perfect! DQ is knowable, but it is not definable. That >>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love! >>> >>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the >>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality in >>> existence. I think such preparation is called work. Once I lose my way, I >>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of >>> activities which keep me alive. I explain them to my neighbor who then >>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because it >>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision >>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes >>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as >>>> unknowable, >>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned. >>> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
