Marsha There is a difference between mathematics and story telling.
Joe On 7/19/11 12:56 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Joe, > > It just some investigation,; not meant as anything definitive. > My point was your "locus of awareness" cannot be an object of > knowledge. > > > Thanks. > > Marsha > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> >> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus >> of my awareness. There is no proper distinction between thought >> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective". It is >> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an >> indefinable/definable basket of goodies. This leaves logic floundering. >> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective". >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Joe, >>> >>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective >>> consciousness - awareness. It is experience but I cannot >>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself. It seems not to >>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses. >>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self. But >>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >>> >>>> Hi MarshaV and all, >>>> >>>> Practice makes perfect! DQ is knowable, but it is not definable. That >>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love! >>>> >>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the >>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality in >>>> existence. I think such preparation is called work. Once I lose my way, I >>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of >>>> activities which keep me alive. I explain them to my neighbor who then >>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because >>>> it >>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision >>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes >>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as >>>>> unknowable, >>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
