Hi Marsha, Off the top of my head I would say that averages follow mathematical logic where one is defined, while being forced to acknowledge a metaphysical logic where one is indefinable existence. The exception proves the rule.
Joe On 7/19/11 11:22 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > My conclusions are never as interesting as your explanations, > so it feels right to ask questions. > > What do you know about averages? > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > >> Hi Marsha >> >> I know DQ by perception. Take the word 'ONE'. It has two meanings. 'One' >> in metaphysics, and 'One' in mathematics. The 'One' of metaphysics stands >> alone. It is the perception of indefinable individuality that enables >> definition for speech along with the perception of an indefinable True and >> Good. >> >> The 'One' of mathematics is definable, the beginning of the logical >> perception of order, followed by 'Two' etc. >> >> I am sorry for the delay in responding, I was away from my computer. >> Joe >> >> On 7/19/11 2:43 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> Okay, you say you know DQ? Can you explain that >>> knowing? Do you know DQ by inference, or do you >>> know DQ by perception? Can you explain to me what >>> you mean when you say "DQ is knowable?" And what >>> do you know about it? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha, >>>> >>>> I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the >>>> locus >>>> of my awareness. There is no proper distinction between thought >>>> (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective". It is >>>> very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an >>>> indefinable/definable basket of goodies. This leaves logic floundering. >>>> Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective". >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joe, >>>>> >>>>> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective >>>>> consciousness - awareness. It is experience but I cannot >>>>> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself. It seems not to >>>>> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses. >>>>> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self. But >>>>> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi MarshaV and all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Practice makes perfect! DQ is knowable, but it is not definable. That >>>>>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love! >>>>>> >>>>>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find >>>>>> the >>>>>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality >>>>>> in >>>>>> existence. I think such preparation is called work. Once I lose my way, >>>>>> I >>>>>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of >>>>>> activities which keep me alive. I explain them to my neighbor who then >>>>>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because >>>>>> it >>>>>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision >>>>>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes >>>>>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as >>>>>>> unknowable, >>>>>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned. > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
