Joe, Okay, you say you know DQ? Can you explain that knowing? Do you know DQ by inference, or do you know DQ by perception? Can you explain to me what you mean when you say "DQ is knowable?" And what do you know about it?
Marsha On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > I don't like the adjective "subjective" modifying consciousness as the locus > of my awareness. There is no proper distinction between thought > (mathematics) and emotions (dynamic) in the adjective "subjective". It is > very confusing as it overwrites the evolutionary supposition for an > indefinable/definable basket of goodies. This leaves logic floundering. > Logic in the rest of the paragraph is diluted by "subjective". > > Joe > > > On 7/19/11 11:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> I have been puzzling over the experience of subjective >> consciousness - awareness. It is experience but I cannot >> observe it, like an eye cannot see itself. It seems not to >> be permanent and seems to control nothing. It witnesses. >> On investigation this is NOT an autonomous self. But >> it is experience and yet not an object of knowledge. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >> >>> Hi MarshaV and all, >>> >>> Practice makes perfect! DQ is knowable, but it is not definable. That >>> reminds me of emotions. E.G., Define Love! >>> >>> The habits that I purposefully develop, enable me to more or less find the >>> role that I must assume in each instance to maintain the dynamic reality in >>> existence. I think such preparation is called work. Once I lose my way, I >>> find myself repeating mechanically, for a whole lifetime, a set of >>> activities which keep me alive. I explain them to my neighbor who then >>> agrees that I am a good fellow, and I stay out of dynamic trouble because it >>> is too hard to keep attention at such a trigger point for the decision >>> making necessary for evolution to heroic levels of behavior which heroes >>> have achieved down through history, e.g., Pirsig. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/11 6:20 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I do not consider DQ to be change. I see it as indeterminate, as >>>> unknowable, >>>> undefinable, and undividable, or as unpatterned. >>> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
