Find a topic other than Marsha...  I apologized.  That's all there is to it.    
-  Marsha 



On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:42 PM, david buchanan wrote:

> 
> 
> Marsha to dmb:
> I apologized because I respect Steve and I don't want to be seen as 
> dishonest.  It was the wrong thing to do.  I meant the apology.
> 
> dmb says:
> The implication is that your apology was only half sincere and largely 
> motivated by vanity. The implication is that you have no actual remorse and 
> you're more concerned about your appearance than any actual wrong-doing. 
> Don't get me wrong. I'm not surprised.
> 
> As I see it, there is really only one reason why you distrust and disrespect 
> anything I say. You cannot stand the fact that I'm critical of your claims 
> and assertions. Apparently, you cannot deal in any legitimate way with the 
> fact that I fundamentally disagree with your relativistic, nihilistic reading 
> of Pirsig. So you deal with it in illegitimate ways. So far we only have one 
> half-hearted apology. But was for just one of many such stunts, one example 
> of something that's become a regular habit and your standard operating 
> method. It's approximately the opposite of talking philosophy. It's a 
> systematic means of evading the criticism. It's childish, destructive, 
> ego-driven bullshit. As I see it, it only proves that you have no business 
> being in a place like this. 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:30 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anybody else amused by the irony? Here we have one insincere apology, a 
>>> refusal to apologize further, one nose-rubbing accusation and two 
>>> expressions of mistrust - and all this is being done in a thread discussing 
>>> the Primacy of Trust. If Arlo's observations are correct, and I certainly 
>>> think they are, then Marsha immediately takes sides with anyone who 
>>> disagrees with me, she rabidly attacks and nearly everything I say with 
>>> lots of insulting posts and when asked to comment on the accusation, 
>>> hinting by context that another apology might be in order, her response is 
>>> to dish up more vaguely insulting hostility instead or more apologies. 
>>> 
>>> And why? 
>>> 
>>> Because it's classy?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha to Dmb,   
>>>> 
>>>> You couldn't be satisfied with an apology, you wanted to rub my nose in 
>>>> something else.  No, I do not trust you.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:13 PM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha to dmb:
>>>>> I don't trust you.   
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:11 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha said dmb:
>>>>>> What I did was wrong, and I apologize to you and Steve.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> dmb said to Marsha:
>>>>>> Okay. Thanks. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While we're at it, do you have anything to say about Arlo's observation?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arlo said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ..."Notice how when DMB explains himself he draws an immediate comment 
>>>>>> from Marsha about "rationalizing", but when Steve explains himself 
>>>>>> Marsha is (not so) oddly silent. And it is any surprise that the Fox 
>>>>>> News contingent jumps in with support for Steve,...  Here's some advice. 
>>>>>> While DMB is off taking lessons on "how to get along with others", 
>>>>>> Marsha why don't you stop and admit that you rabidly attack nearly 
>>>>>> everything he says, often for no other reason I can ever see other than 
>>>>>> "DMB said it". If you don't like what he has to say, put him on ignore, 
>>>>>> don't respond immediately with several dozen insulting emails to nearly 
>>>>>> every single post he makes."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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