Marsha, dmb, Common sense at both ends of that mail, so let's focus on that. (The trading of accusatory rhetoric and dictionary definitions in between I'll try to ignore.)
At the beginning - We are using the terms free-will and determinism. And at the end - the Pirsig quote (again) "To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality it is without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is free." Well it's quite clear so far as it goes - but Pirsig himself is not above qualifying himself with the odd weasel word is he ? "To the extent that ..." he says about both halves of the story. He is NOT saying we ARE controlled "deterministically" by static patterns - if anything he is warning us to beware that we might be, if we don't look out for them. He is NOT saying we simply follow DQ - on some path determined by DQ - he is still saying we have the freedom to choose what opportunities DQ offers. What Pirsig says is perfectly consistent with talking about free-will and determinism in common sense established ways. Again (almost) all I see in this thread is rhetorical disagreement for the sake of wanting to have an argument. Ian On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:18 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marsha asked: >> Have you dropped the words 'free-will' and 'determinism'? >> >> dmb answered: >> No, I haven't dropped the terms. > > Marsha: > Okay. > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
