On Aug 17, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Marsha] > RMP does, in fact, state that it is an illusion. > > [Arlo] > Right, Marsha, he states the "autonomous self" is an illusion, because the > "autonomous self" is a product of S/O thinking. > > But if you move up to a MOQ perspective, there are NO illusions OR existants, > there are patterns of value. The pattern "self" is no more an illusion (or an > existential existant) than a car, or a bird, or a song, or a system of map > coordinates. > > Do you not see that it makes zero sense to say, within a MOQ, that some > patterns of value are "illusions" and some patterns of value are "real"? > That's simply importing S/O thinking into the fabric of the MOQ. > > The "self", within a MOQ, is neither an illusion or an existential existant. > It is a pattern of value, one whose value (persistence/stability) is marked > by how well it works in describing experience, in other words its > experiential value.
Marsha: Yes, the "autonomous self" is an illusion. I have for a very long time stated that I see the self within the MoQ as a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in a field of Dynamic Quality. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
