On Aug 17, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Marsha] > Yes, but Ms. Albahari's investigation is whether the 'sense of self' does, in > fact, reflect a real 'self'. A far more important investigation consider that > RMP rejects an autonomous self. > > [Arlo] > You keep repeating this, Marsha, and I don't know why. I am not interested in > the "real/illusion" dichotomy of existential existence. I am interested in > how these patterns provide value within a MOQ. And within a MOQ there are no > existents/illusions, there are only patterns of value.
Marsha: I included the Ms. Albahari reference only because you mistakenly labeled Ian's comments as mine. I added my comment to which Ian had posted his reply to supply context. > [Arlo] > "Illusions" only appear in response to holding something as being > existentially real. For example, the intellectual pattern of value called > "free will" fosters the belief that the "self" is an existential existant. > This is an illusion created by this pattern. Okay. The MoQ uses the term static quality, while Buddhism calls it conventional reality. In both 'free will' is based is provisional. > [Arlo] > Yes, Pirsig (and I) reject "autonomous selves", but this is just another way > of saying "rejects S/O". Okay. Done. So the "self" is not an autonomous agent > (as it is within S/O), but it IS a pattern of value. Marsha: Good for you. I want to go deeper that an intellectual acknowledgement. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
