[Marsha]
RMP does, in fact, state that it is an illusion.

[Arlo]
Right, Marsha, he states the "autonomous self" is an illusion, because the "autonomous self" is a product of S/O thinking.

But if you move up to a MOQ perspective, there are NO illusions OR existants, there are patterns of value. The pattern "self" is no more an illusion (or an existential existant) than a car, or a bird, or a song, or a system of map coordinates.

Do you not see that it makes zero sense to say, within a MOQ, that some patterns of value are "illusions" and some patterns of value are "real"? That's simply importing S/O thinking into the fabric of the MOQ.

The "self", within a MOQ, is neither an illusion or an existential existant. It is a pattern of value, one whose value (persistence/stability) is marked by how well it works in describing experience, in other words its experiential value.



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