Mark, Easier to obscure the quote than to consider it seriously. Right. I've got it...
Marsha On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:54 PM, 118 wrote: > Dear Alan (spokes person, Marsha), > > There is a condition known as Cortical Blindness. This is presented as the > inability to form visual images in the visual cortex. Such a thing can arise > from brain injury. This would argue that images ARE formed within the brain. > Perhaps you are using "visual images" in a different way. Please be so kind > as to explain. > > If you, Alan, wish to contribute to MoQ, you also agree to engage in > explanations of your statements. Otherwise it is just dogma that a > discussion forum has no use for. > > Mark > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:13 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Nov 16, 2011, at 6:42 PM, david buchanan wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Matt said to Dan: >>> You've been taking "Don's dog dish" as an made-up, fictional account--is >>> that right? And _that's_ why "what dish" makes sense? ...It had suddenly >>> occurred to me, because of the lilt of some of your comments to me and to >>> Dave, that you were basing the usage of "imaginary" on the fact that I >>> "made up" the example, as in: I have no friends by these names, so it is an >>> imaginary example. ... I still don't know whether you think it is >>> important or not that some cases are anecdotal and some made up whole >>> cloth; some are reportings of experience, some are thought-experiments. >>> That's what I was trying to suss out last time. >>> >>> dmb says: >>> Right. The tree in the forest is a classic thought experiment and nobody >>> ever asks which forest or what kind of tree, let alone a specific and >>> particular tree that Don's dog pees upon. I mean, I took "Don's dog dish" >>> to be a concrete and particular experience (although trivial) but I take >>> the tree that no one's around to hear as a hypothetical fiction, as an >>> abstract tree of no particular type and one described in terms of being >>> part of nobody's experience when it falls. Concrete and abstract are very >>> important categories when discussing empirical reasons. I'd even say that >>> no real conversation is going to occur until that is ironed out. >> >> Marsha: >> Can you consider this when discussing empirical reasons: >> >> "Philosophers and scientists have long recognized the illusory nature of >> perceptual appearance. When we observe the world around us, we see images, >> such as shapes and colors, that lack physical attributes. The visual image >> of the color red, for instance, doesn't have any mass or atomic structure. >> It isn't located in the external world, for it arises partly in dependence >> upon our visual sense faculty, including the eye, the optic nerve, the >> visual cortex. There are clearly brain functions that contribute to the >> generation of red images, but no evidence that those neural correlates of >> perception are actually _identical_ to those images. So there is no >> compelling reason to believe that the images are located inside our heads. >> Since visual images, or qualia, are not located either outside or inside our >> heads, they don't seem to have any spatial location at all. The same is >> true of all other kinds of sensory qualia, including sounds, smells, tastes, >> and tactile sensation > s >> ." >> >> (Wallace, B. Alan, 'Hidden Dimensions: The Unification of Physics and >> Consciousness',p.50) >> >> Seems to me both "concrete" and "abstract" are patterns abstracted from the >> pure experience. >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
