Hi Marsha, Yes, that is what I find distracting, obscuring the quote, which is why I ask questions, so as to provide clarity. I am not sure how Wallace is using "quaila" since I have not read the book who's quote you present as argument. Do you know if he is presenting it in an objective sense, subjective, both or neither?
In this way I can understand why you present the quote as significant to MoQ. Thanks, Mark On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:11 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark, > > Easier to obscure the quote than to consider it seriously. Right. I've got > it... > > > Marsha > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:54 PM, 118 wrote: > >> Dear Alan (spokes person, Marsha), >> >> There is a condition known as Cortical Blindness. This is presented as the >> inability to form visual images in the visual cortex. Such a thing can >> arise from brain injury. This would argue that images ARE formed within the >> brain. Perhaps you are using "visual images" in a different way. Please be >> so kind as to explain. >> >> If you, Alan, wish to contribute to MoQ, you also agree to engage in >> explanations of your statements. Otherwise it is just dogma that a >> discussion forum has no use for. >> >> Mark >> >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:13 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 6:42 PM, david buchanan wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt said to Dan: >>>> You've been taking "Don's dog dish" as an made-up, fictional account--is >>>> that right? And _that's_ why "what dish" makes sense? ...It had >>>> suddenly occurred to me, because of the lilt of some of your comments to >>>> me and to Dave, that you were basing the usage of "imaginary" on the fact >>>> that I "made up" the example, as in: I have no friends by these names, so >>>> it is an imaginary example. ... I still don't know whether you think it >>>> is important or not that some cases are anecdotal and some made up whole >>>> cloth; some are reportings of experience, some are thought-experiments. >>>> That's what I was trying to suss out last time. >>>> >>>> dmb says: >>>> Right. The tree in the forest is a classic thought experiment and nobody >>>> ever asks which forest or what kind of tree, let alone a specific and >>>> particular tree that Don's dog pees upon. I mean, I took "Don's dog dish" >>>> to be a concrete and particular experience (although trivial) but I take >>>> the tree that no one's around to hear as a hypothetical fiction, as an >>>> abstract tree of no particular type and one described in terms of being >>>> part of nobody's experience when it falls. Concrete and abstract are very >>>> important categories when discussing empirical reasons. I'd even say that >>>> no real conversation is going to occur until that is ironed out. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> Can you consider this when discussing empirical reasons: >>> >>> "Philosophers and scientists have long recognized the illusory nature of >>> perceptual appearance. When we observe the world around us, we see images, >>> such as shapes and colors, that lack physical attributes. The visual image >>> of the color red, for instance, doesn't have any mass or atomic structure. >>> It isn't located in the external world, for it arises partly in dependence >>> upon our visual sense faculty, including the eye, the optic nerve, the >>> visual cortex. There are clearly brain functions that contribute to the >>> generation of red images, but no evidence that those neural correlates of >>> perception are actually _identical_ to those images. So there is no >>> compelling reason to believe that the images are located inside our heads. >>> Since visual images, or qualia, are not located either outside or inside >>> our heads, they don't seem to have any spatial location at all. The same >>> is true of all other kinds of sensory qualia, including sounds, smells, >>> tastes, and tactile sensation >> s >>> ." >>> >>> (Wallace, B. Alan, 'Hidden Dimensions: The Unification of Physics and >>> Consciousness',p.50) >>> >>> Seems to me both "concrete" and "abstract" are patterns abstracted from the >>> pure experience. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
