Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between object and process?
On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective, > independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence? Well, I > shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least a > relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or a > soul. > > > Marsha > > > > On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> You seem to be using your patterns as objects. Am I wrong here? I do >> not see how you are making the patterns something different. Even >> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different. It >> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from >> "objects" to "patterns". How are they different? We see a pattern on >> a rug, because it repeats itself. That is what a pattern is. What is >> it about your patterns that provides such repetition. How is it that >> you undergo pattern recognition? >> >> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding. >> >> Mark >> >> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently denied >>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well. After >>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings and >>>> their ownership, Marsha responded: >>>> >>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion. It is extremely interesting, >>>>> though, >>>>> and I hope to learn more. >>>> >>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta and >>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion. Marsha has >>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since >>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static >>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" has >>>> become the mantra that identifies her. >>> >>> Hello Ham, >>> >>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been thinking >>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well. >>> >>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern". For the expression seems >>> both true and false. The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL useful >>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very insidious >>> tendency. I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to move one's >>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to ones of >>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value >>> (processes)". >>> >>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and Buddhist >>> scholars. It often surprises me how clearly they present very difficult and >>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe one >>> should continually check and verify. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
