No Marsha, You Bugger off!!! If you know what that means that is. I sure you have done it.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:59 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Bugger off!!! > > > > On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:52 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marsha, >> You mistake my intentions. You need to figure it out for yourself, there is >> nothing I can tell you. >> >> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >> Mark >> >> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:59 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Right,,, because it was a red-herring, asshole statement meant to get me to >>> chase my tail. No dice, Baby, start explaining!!! >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:45 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Marsha, >>>> I see no reason to do this, figure it out on your own. >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mark, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Explain how you think I am using relationships in an objective fashion? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:33 AM, 118 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Marsha, >>>>>> No this is incorrect, you are using relationships in an objective >>>>>> fashion. >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Static patterns of value can be understood as recurrent patterns of >>>>>>> interactions that arise simultaneously. Such patterns are not objects >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> any sense, but specific, recurring relationships. This notion aligns >>>>>>> well >>>>>>> with the Buddha's The Principle of Conditionality: If this is, that >>>>>>> comes >>>>>>> to be; from the arising of this, that arises; if this is not, that does >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> come to be; from the stopping of this, that is stopped. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between >>>>>>>> object and process? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective, >>>>>>>>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence? Well, >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> soul. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>>>>>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects. Am I wrong here? I >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different. Even >>>>>>>>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different. It >>>>>>>>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from >>>>>>>>>> "objects" to "patterns". How are they different? We see a pattern >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> a rug, because it repeats itself. That is what a pattern is. What >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition. How is it that >>>>>>>>>> you undergo pattern recognition? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently >>>>>>>>>>>> denied >>>>>>>>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well. >>>>>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion. It is extremely >>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting, >>>>>>>>>>>>> though, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I hope to learn more. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion. >>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, >>>>>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static >>>>>>>>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello Ham, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been >>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so >>>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern". For the >>>>>>>>>>> expression >>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>> both true and false. The mind does seem to have evolved to reify >>>>>>>>>>> ALL >>>>>>>>>>> useful >>>>>>>>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very >>>>>>>>>>> insidious >>>>>>>>>>> tendency. I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to >>>>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>>>> one's >>>>>>>>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to >>>>>>>>>>> ones of >>>>>>>>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value >>>>>>>>>>> (processes)". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and >>>>>>>>>>> Buddhist >>>>>>>>>>> scholars. It often surprises me how clearly they present very >>>>>>>>>>> difficult and >>>>>>>>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. 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