Marsha, I see no reason to do this, figure it out on your own. Mark
On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark, > > > Explain how you think I am using relationships in an objective fashion? > > > > Marsha > > > > On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:33 AM, 118 wrote: > >> Marsha, >> No this is incorrect, you are using relationships in an objective fashion. >> Mark >> >> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Static patterns of value can be understood as recurrent patterns of >>> interactions that arise simultaneously. Such patterns are not objects in >>> any sense, but specific, recurring relationships. This notion aligns >>> well >>> with the Buddha's The Principle of Conditionality: If this is, that >>> comes >>> to be; from the arising of this, that arises; if this is not, that does >>> not >>> come to be; from the stopping of this, that is stopped. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between >>>> object and process? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>> >>>>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective, >>>>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence? Well, >>>>> I >>>>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least >>>>> a >>>>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or >>>>> a >>>>> soul. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects. Am I wrong here? I do >>>>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different. Even >>>>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different. It >>>>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from >>>>>> "objects" to "patterns". How are they different? We see a pattern on >>>>>> a rug, because it repeats itself. That is what a pattern is. What is >>>>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition. How is it that >>>>>> you undergo pattern recognition? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently >>>>>>>> denied >>>>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well. >>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion. It is extremely >>>>>>>>> interesting, >>>>>>>>> though, >>>>>>>>> and I hope to learn more. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion. >>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since >>>>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static >>>>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Ham, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been >>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern". For the >>>>>>> expression >>>>>>> seems >>>>>>> both true and false. The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL >>>>>>> useful >>>>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very >>>>>>> insidious >>>>>>> tendency. I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to >>>>>>> move >>>>>>> one's >>>>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to >>>>>>> ones of >>>>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value >>>>>>> (processes)". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and >>>>>>> Buddhist >>>>>>> scholars. It often surprises me how clearly they present very >>>>>>> difficult and >>>>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> should continually check and verify. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
