Marsha, You mistake my intentions. You need to figure it out for yourself, there is nothing I can tell you.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:59 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mark, > > Right,,, because it was a red-herring, asshole statement meant to get me to > chase my tail. No dice, Baby, start explaining!!! > > > Marsha > > > > > On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:45 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marsha, >> I see no reason to do this, figure it out on your own. >> Mark >> >> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> >>> Explain how you think I am using relationships in an objective fashion? >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:33 AM, 118 wrote: >>> >>>> Marsha, >>>> No this is incorrect, you are using relationships in an objective fashion. >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mark, >>>>> >>>>> Static patterns of value can be understood as recurrent patterns of >>>>> interactions that arise simultaneously. Such patterns are not objects in >>>>> any sense, but specific, recurring relationships. This notion aligns >>>>> well >>>>> with the Buddha's The Principle of Conditionality: If this is, that >>>>> comes >>>>> to be; from the arising of this, that arises; if this is not, that does >>>>> not >>>>> come to be; from the stopping of this, that is stopped. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between >>>>>> object and process? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective, >>>>>>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence? Well, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> soul. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>>>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects. Am I wrong here? I do >>>>>>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different. Even >>>>>>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different. It >>>>>>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from >>>>>>>> "objects" to "patterns". How are they different? We see a pattern on >>>>>>>> a rug, because it repeats itself. That is what a pattern is. What is >>>>>>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition. How is it that >>>>>>>> you undergo pattern recognition? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently >>>>>>>>>> denied >>>>>>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well. >>>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion. It is extremely >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, >>>>>>>>>>> though, >>>>>>>>>>> and I hope to learn more. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion. >>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since >>>>>>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static >>>>>>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Ham, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been >>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern". For the >>>>>>>>> expression >>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>> both true and false. The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL >>>>>>>>> useful >>>>>>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very >>>>>>>>> insidious >>>>>>>>> tendency. I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to >>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>> one's >>>>>>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to >>>>>>>>> ones of >>>>>>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value >>>>>>>>> (processes)". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and >>>>>>>>> Buddhist >>>>>>>>> scholars. It often surprises me how clearly they present very >>>>>>>>> difficult and >>>>>>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> should continually check and verify. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
