Bugger off!!!
On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:52 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha, > You mistake my intentions. You need to figure it out for yourself, there is > nothing I can tell you. > > Sent laboriously from an iPhone, > Mark > > On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:59 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Mark, >> >> Right,,, because it was a red-herring, asshole statement meant to get me to >> chase my tail. No dice, Baby, start explaining!!! >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:45 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Marsha, >>> I see no reason to do this, figure it out on your own. >>> Mark >>> >>> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mark, >>>> >>>> >>>> Explain how you think I am using relationships in an objective fashion? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:33 AM, 118 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marsha, >>>>> No this is incorrect, you are using relationships in an objective fashion. >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark, >>>>>> >>>>>> Static patterns of value can be understood as recurrent patterns of >>>>>> interactions that arise simultaneously. Such patterns are not objects in >>>>>> any sense, but specific, recurring relationships. This notion aligns >>>>>> well >>>>>> with the Buddha's The Principle of Conditionality: If this is, that >>>>>> comes >>>>>> to be; from the arising of this, that arises; if this is not, that does >>>>>> not >>>>>> come to be; from the stopping of this, that is stopped. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between >>>>>>> object and process? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective, >>>>>>>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence? Well, >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> soul. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>>>>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects. Am I wrong here? I do >>>>>>>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different. Even >>>>>>>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different. It >>>>>>>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from >>>>>>>>> "objects" to "patterns". How are they different? We see a pattern on >>>>>>>>> a rug, because it repeats itself. That is what a pattern is. What is >>>>>>>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition. How is it that >>>>>>>>> you undergo pattern recognition? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently >>>>>>>>>>> denied >>>>>>>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well. >>>>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion. It is extremely >>>>>>>>>>>> interesting, >>>>>>>>>>>> though, >>>>>>>>>>>> and I hope to learn more. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion. >>>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since >>>>>>>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static >>>>>>>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Ham, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been >>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern". For the >>>>>>>>>> expression >>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>> both true and false. The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL >>>>>>>>>> useful >>>>>>>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very >>>>>>>>>> insidious >>>>>>>>>> tendency. I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to >>>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>>> one's >>>>>>>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to >>>>>>>>>> ones of >>>>>>>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value >>>>>>>>>> (processes)". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and >>>>>>>>>> Buddhist >>>>>>>>>> scholars. It often surprises me how clearly they present very >>>>>>>>>> difficult and >>>>>>>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> should continually check and verify. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
