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On Jun 25, 2012, at 4:54 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote:

> No, it was not.  We each march to the beat of a different drummer.
> 
> Sorry if it seemed that way.  Most of my comments are regarded in that
> way.  At least for now.  All I can do is express my Quality Awareness.
> That is all Pirsig can do.
> 
> BTW, it is interesting to have a subject of "dark night" in this
> forum.  It is kind of like having a forum on parachuting where not
> many people have jumped out of an airplane, but still have a lot to
> say about it.
> 
> If dark night was not DQ for you, what would you describe it as?
> 
> Or is this subject simply "theoretical"?
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 6/25/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> And, for example, your comment concerning "deaf ears" was not one of
>> pretentious, disarming, condescension.  :-)
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 12:15 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> I do not disagree with you, I just have a different approach.  I have no
>>> problem with your approach.  We just have a different sense of Quality.
>>> 
>>> Carry on,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:13 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> This post seems like philosophical/psychological chum thrown overboard to
>>>> see what it will attract.  I have no problem with you disagreeing with
>>>> me, but often I cannot find a precise point of disagreement.  Is there a
>>>> specific point you'd like to discuss?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>> I appreciate the labels that you are giving to DQ.  I think I
>>>>> understand where you are coming from.  You present a kind 
>>>>> of metaphysical theology.  There is also another kind of
>>>>> metaphysics, that is one which traces back to ultimate principles.  
>>>>> I am' dealing with the latter approach.  It is simply two different
>>>>> approaches.  I am sure that your approach brings you much
>>>>> fulfillment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This forum is about the metaphysics of Quality.  That is, it is
>>>>> meant to provide a description of Quality in metaphysical terms.  
>>>>> Certainly unknowable can be one such description, but I am
>>>>> curious where you take it from there.  Is the first principle that
>>>>> it cannot be described?  If so, we are speaking of a metaphysics
>>>>> of the indescribable, which is more of a Christian approach to
>>>>> reality.  I have no problem with this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any metaphysics of Quality comes from one's personal
>>>>> relationship,through Quality, with existence.  I fully appreciate
>>>>> that your relationship with existence is one of unknowability.  
>>>>> This indeed can be one of wonder, and be very fulfilling, and I
>>>>> appreciate you candor in providing this to me.  That IT is there
>>>>> but that we will never know it.  Thanks for that.  I have some
>>>>> more thoughts concerning my approach, which may fall on deaf
>>>>> ears.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:13 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> snip...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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