Marsha said to Andre:
...And in his recent post, dmb didn't make any point at all!  Andre, who do you 
and dmb think you're kidding?  There was no "The point dmb and Pirsig are 
making..."  Dmb seems to be reluctant to make a point.

dmb says:
Apparently, Marsha, you failed to see the point. It was a simple point. It was 
clearly stated in just a couple sentences but also supported by several 
paragraphs of textual evidence. Let me spell it because Jan's and Mark's 
responses were almost as irrelevant as your response. 

Jan Anders Andersson said, "Economics is not about values" and "Economics is a 
way to AVOID values". My point was to dispute that claim. "According to the 
MOQ, fame and fortune are social level values," I said. "According to the MOQ, 
our recent history is a clash of values, namely social level values as opposed 
to intellectual values".

See? Jan says "economics is not about values" and I showed why that's wrong. 
Along with fame, Pirsig says, economics is a force that gives "society its 
shape and meaning". (Lila 258) Economic IS about values, according to Pirsig. 
More specifically, it is a central generator of social values. This was the 
point and that point was supported by textual evidence.

I think it's obvious that Jan's assertion has been totally defeated. His 
response was totally irrelevant to the point. It's also obvious that you have 
no idea what's going on, Marsha. 


                                          
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