10 nov 2012 kl. 02:02 skrev Andre Broersen <[email protected]>:
> Jan Anders to dmb: > Yes, and a gentleman with a sound intellect are pretty aware of that his > intellect is dependant upon the social, the biological and inorganic level > and that these levels must be treated well to ensure the quality of the > intellectual level. Therefore it can be a good choice to release the > intellectual control over the earlier levels sometime in between. > > Andre: > Is that all you can produce JA? Is this really your response to the quotes > dmb has presented to you from LILA. Is this realy your response to the > writings of Pirsig? Is this your response to the behaviour, for example, of > every fucking banker in the West lately striking up his and her bonusses for > leading us, ordinary citizens, into one crisis after another and adhering to > the wonderful rule, (now well ingrained in the banking and financial system > and markets) that the losses are to be socialized (i.e. paid for by the > masses)and the profits privatized (i.e.deposited in one's private pocket)? > Hello, did you ever took a look at my book MALC? My view is quite clear described there. You shouldn't have to worry at all about this. > No wonder he reflected at and on the end of the twentieth century as being a > moral rustbelt. And this is only one indication thereof. You seem to support > this sort of behaviour. NO, not at all. see above. > > Don't use the excuse of picking up barladies in the mean time. You seem to > miss the point completely. What you do is propagate the current moral > dustbelt as being morally inevitable and therefore morally acceptable. And > you do this when it suits you. When it suits you because you simply cannot > and will not stop your wife from licking your ears!!! Don't give us the > 'sometime in between' bit JA. > I think examples of BOTH dynamic AND static Quality is interesting. > And in the mean time the ordinary peoples of Europe are taken to the > slaughterhouse in an effort to safeguard the disastrous financial karma it > has invoked on itself for present and future generations. > > The point dmb and Pirsig are making is the moral goodness of intellectual > patterns dominating social and biological patterns. In other words it is good > for social and biological patterns to be subordinate to intellectual > patterns. Currently some intellectual patterns are subordinated to serve > social (financial) interests. This seems to be an accepted moral code (which > you defend)in the same way what held the Victorian pattern together. > I am sorry but I think you misunderstood my appraisal for Dmb's contribution. > However, it is just a social code, not an intellectual one. "They called it > morals, but really it was just a social code. As a code it was just like > their ornamental cast-iron furniture: expensive looking, cheaply made, > brittle, cold, and uncomfortable." > > And if that is not a nice description of twenty-first century money (as > opposed to the Marxian notion where money was linked to labour... it being > designated as 'frozen labour'which it is). No,mere numbers on a digital sheet > of paper with no connection at all to any form of experience/endeavour...no > connection at all to moral human activity. The value of money comes from what price the seller and the buyer agrees about, in each and every deal. No deal - no profit - no buyer value realised. Labour applied is no guarantee for customer satisfaction. > > And you excuse this because you cannot and will not prevent your wife from > licking your ears? Oh, you have the old Christian excuse: the mind is willing > but the flesh is weak...rust and dustbelt put together... that's what your > response is. Disappointing to say the least. Sorry about that André. I think Lila is a great book. I have learned a lot about how to use the MOQ perspective on my everyday life and in my profession as a business consultant for some decades. Having a good life anyway is a mix, a balanced process in ALL the four levels. My wife has an important role in that process. Don't forget to be human. Jan Anders > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
