Ant had said: Before you study Zen, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers; [the static viewpoint of the MOQ as found in ZMM and LILA]
While you are studying Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and rivers are no longer rivers; [the Dynamic viewpoint of the MOQ as found in "LILA's Child" and the McWatt-Pirsig PhD correspondence. This is the "World of the Buddhas" viewpoint you were asking about] But once you have had enlightenment mountains are once again mountains and rivers again rivers. [the static-Dynamic viewpoint of the MOQ found in McWatt-Pirsig PhD correspondence; further explanation of this "dual" perspective is given by Paul Turner in his Tetralemma article at: http://robertpirsig.org/Tetralemma.htm ]. Ron interjects: That is where it would seem that the emphasis lay, Paul Turner said: "The positive import of the two truths is that whilst it is stated that nothing is inherently real, i.e., nothing exists by virtue of its own independent essence, the familiar everyday world is, nonetheless, conventionally real and exists in a way which does not contradict experience. " I would ask, to an empiricist, one that holds experience as reality, that "ultimate truth" is an abstraction, a symbol with no coresponding experience. Therefore an empiricst asks what value does it hold? what has more meaning? What is it's good? .. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
