On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Marsha, > > If dynamic quality, reality, is unknowable why use the term? Are you asking why RMP used language to explain the Metaphysics of Quality? > There is a broad spectrum of the knowable. What is unknowable describing? Since you think it is Dynamic Quality is knowable, you describe it? > Limits of reality or limits of knowledge? What are you referring to and in what context? > To discuss unknowable reality seems futile. Okay. > Supposing there is a broad spectrum to the unknowable, how can we discover > it? To say the unknowable is a 'broad spectrum' seems to be assuming too much. > It seems to me discussion and unknowable are at odds unless you accept that > indefinable and unknowable are synonymous. This might be one way to think about indefinable and unknowable. > DQ is indefinable. IMHO Unknowable reality stretches the discussion of DQ > metaphysics to a leap of Faith. It's a 'leap of faith' that when I wake up in the morning, put my feet on the floor and stand up that I won't fall through the flooring. And? > I would rather tweak rationality into the experience of indefinable > DQ in consciousness rather than accept indefinable DQ as a leap of faith. In considering a metaphysics - the nature of reality - I would prefer to dig deep rather than settle for tweaking rationality. I might consider that "tweaking rationality" is best handled by holding static patterns of value as hypothetical (supposed but not necessarily real or true). Marsha > > On 3/14/13 4:07 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Greetings Joe, >> >> I am perfectly satisfied with understanding the MoQ designating Reality = >> Value(Dynamic(indivisible, undefinable and unknowable)/static(divisible, >> definable and knowable)) :-) >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 14, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi MarshaV, >>> >>> I am too old (80 plus) to remember philosophy. I want to jump immediately >>> to an indefinable as the limit on an aging process. DQ is indefinable, >>> always new, so to speak, and I am alive! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 3/13/13 11:30 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Joe, >>>> >>>> I wondered if you might agree with Nietzsche? >>>> >>>> "Compared with music all communication by words is shameless; words dilute >>>> and brutalize; words depersonalize; words make uncommon common." >>>> (Nietzsche, Friedrich, 'Will To Power') >>>> >>>> re fa la >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi MarshaV, >>>>> >>>>> IMHO How to describe a theory of knowledge in DQ/SQ experience? DQ, >>>>> indefinable self-consciousness along with definable SQ structure, enables >>>>> self-directed activity. >>>>> >>>>> SQ, defined reality, places the limit of definition on an indefinable DQ >>>>> emotional self-consciousness. Definitions aid communication. Music is a >>>>> more immediate less structured communication in its emotional origins. >>>>> >>>>> What is logic? The Intellect and freewill of activity are tied to a >>>>> common >>>>> limit, self-awareness. I can't jump on my horse and ride off in all >>>>> directions. Logic describes limits on knowledge in the structure of self >>>>> awareness DQ/SQ. >>>>> >>>>> Music is an harmonious structure, more revealing in some ways in being >>>>> less >>>>> subject to SQ discipline than logic. Music evokes more intensity in its >>>>> indefinable emotional origins than intellectual logic. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/13/13 12:40 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Schopenhauer believed that the mediations of art in general, but >>>>>> particularly >>>>>> music, were more directly able to reveal the nature of reality than was >>>>>> philosophy. >> Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
