Hi MarshaV and All,
On 3/16/13 2:01 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> >> If dynamic quality, reality, is unknowable why use the term? > > Are you asking why RMP used language to explain the Metaphysics of Quality? Hi Marsha I guess I am stuck in questioning logic! I do not know how to logically express the unknowable. Perhaps through analogy, metaphor, gesture. > > >> There is a broad spectrum of the knowable. What is unknowable describing? > > Since you think it is Dynamic Quality is knowable, you describe it? There is a difference between the indefinable and the unknowable. I may not be able to use defined words to describe an unknowable, but I can use gesture, analogy, metaphor to achieve some meaning of indefinable reality. > > >> Limits of reality or limits of knowledge? > > What are you referring to and in what context? In Moq metaphysics knowledge is communicated through analogy, metaphor, gesture for DQ as well as words and definitions of SQ. > >> To discuss unknowable reality seems futile. > > Okay. > > >> Supposing there is a broad spectrum to the unknowable, how can we discover >> it? > > To say the unknowable is a 'broad spectrum' seems to be assuming too much. > Metaphysics accepts the indefinable. Music, gesture, analogy, metaphor etc. are some ways to make myself understood. > >> It seems to me discussion and unknowable are at odds unless you accept that >> indefinable and unknowable are synonymous. > > This might be one way to think about indefinable and unknowable. > > >> DQ is indefinable. IMHO Unknowable reality stretches the discussion of DQ >> metaphysics to a leap of Faith. > > It's a 'leap of faith' that when I wake up in the morning, put my feet on the > floor and stand up that I won't fall through the flooring. And? > > I was trying to open the door to Faith and Reason. >> I would rather tweak rationality into the experience of indefinable >> DQ in consciousness rather than accept indefinable DQ as a leap of faith. > > In considering a metaphysics - the nature of reality - I would prefer to dig > deep rather than settle for tweaking rationality. I might consider that > "tweaking rationality" is best handled by holding static patterns of value as > hypothetical (supposed but not necessarily real or true). > > > Marsha I don't want to abandon truth either! >Joe > >> >> On 3/14/13 4:07 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Greetings Joe, >>> >>> I am perfectly satisfied with understanding the MoQ designating Reality = >>> Value(Dynamic(indivisible, undefinable and unknowable)/static(divisible, >>> definable and knowable)) :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi MarshaV, >>>> >>>> I am too old (80 plus) to remember philosophy. I want to jump immediately >>>> to an indefinable as the limit on an aging process. DQ is indefinable, >>>> always new, so to speak, and I am alive! >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/13/13 11:30 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Joe, >>>>> >>>>> I wondered if you might agree with Nietzsche? >>>>> >>>>> "Compared with music all communication by words is shameless; words dilute >>>>> and brutalize; words depersonalize; words make uncommon common." >>>>> (Nietzsche, Friedrich, 'Will To Power') >>>>> >>>>> re fa la >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi MarshaV, >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO How to describe a theory of knowledge in DQ/SQ experience? DQ, >>>>>> indefinable self-consciousness along with definable SQ structure, enables >>>>>> self-directed activity. >>>>>> >>>>>> SQ, defined reality, places the limit of definition on an indefinable DQ >>>>>> emotional self-consciousness. Definitions aid communication. Music is a >>>>>> more immediate less structured communication in its emotional origins. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is logic? The Intellect and freewill of activity are tied to a >>>>>> common >>>>>> limit, self-awareness. I can't jump on my horse and ride off in all >>>>>> directions. Logic describes limits on knowledge in the structure of self >>>>>> awareness DQ/SQ. >>>>>> >>>>>> Music is an harmonious structure, more revealing in some ways in being >>>>>> less >>>>>> subject to SQ discipline than logic. Music evokes more intensity in its >>>>>> indefinable emotional origins than intellectual logic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/13/13 12:40 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Schopenhauer believed that the mediations of art in general, but >>>>>>> particularly >>>>>>> music, were more directly able to reveal the nature of reality than was >>>>>>> philosophy. >>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
