Hey Joe,

Hmmmm.  Directly perceiving Dynamic Quality, seems to me, makes all "things" 
and even patterns false: illusions and phantoms (ghosts).  That does not 
translate into meaningless. Patterns exist as value.      


Marsha, 
      with echo in head "Marsha, you think too much!"
 
 


On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> 
> 
> Yes, unknowable in the sense that there is a known and knower, so not 
> "conceptually knowable." How about known through direct perception?  I have 
> stated that DQ can be directly experienced and known like one knows the tea 
> is hot when one is drinking it.  Can this be true?  Problem is that I can 
> directly perceive, in such a manner, that there is a coiled snake ahead of me 
> in the road, only to find out later that such certainty was unfounded and 
> what I experienced was merely a coiled rope.  On discovering that what I was 
> seeing was, indeed, a coiled rope, what I do know with certainty was that it 
> was NOT a coiled snake.  This is why I accept the idea that the best way to 
> discover Truth is by discovering what is false. 
> 
> But having written the above, I will leave the issue open for further 
> investigation.  Perhaps Steve Hagen's book will offer some insight on the 
> subject of perceptions.   
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
> 
>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>> 
>> I have no sense of what you mean by "unknowable" DQ?  Unknowable is not the
>> same as indefinable in DQ (indefinable) SQ (definable) metaphysics.
>> "Unknowable" means a barrier to the contact of the faculty for knowledge.
>> Indefinable accepts a direct contact in consciousness without language.
>> "What was that?"  DQ!
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/2/13 5:31 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> DQ is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable"; the term 'indivisible' 
>>> pointing
>>> to monism, non-dualistic: indeterminate.  
> 
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