It also translates nice as reality is alway partly illusive and all illusions are partly real hello Marsha Adrie
2013/4/6 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Hey Joe, > > Hmmmm. Directly perceiving Dynamic Quality, seems to me, makes all > "things" and even patterns false: illusions and phantoms (ghosts). That > does not translate into meaningless. Patterns exist as value. > > > Marsha, > with echo in head "Marsha, you think too much!" > > > > > On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > Yes, unknowable in the sense that there is a known and knower, so not > "conceptually knowable." How about known through direct perception? I have > stated that DQ can be directly experienced and known like one knows the tea > is hot when one is drinking it. Can this be true? Problem is that I can > directly perceive, in such a manner, that there is a coiled snake ahead of > me in the road, only to find out later that such certainty was unfounded > and what I experienced was merely a coiled rope. On discovering that what > I was seeing was, indeed, a coiled rope, what I do know with certainty was > that it was NOT a coiled snake. This is why I accept the idea that the > best way to discover Truth is by discovering what is false. > > > > But having written the above, I will leave the issue open for further > investigation. Perhaps Steve Hagen's book will offer some insight on the > subject of perceptions. > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > > > >> Hi MarshaV and All, > >> > >> I have no sense of what you mean by "unknowable" DQ? Unknowable is not > the > >> same as indefinable in DQ (indefinable) SQ (definable) metaphysics. > >> "Unknowable" means a barrier to the contact of the faculty for > knowledge. > >> Indefinable accepts a direct contact in consciousness without language. > >> "What was that?" DQ! > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > >> On 4/2/13 5:31 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> DQ is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable"; the term 'indivisible' > pointing > >>> to monism, non-dualistic: indeterminate. > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
