Interdependent.
On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:49 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> wrote: > You will find the depth of the ocean under the waves and surface, but they > are symbiotic. > > > > 2013/4/6 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >> Hi Adrie, >> >> Statically or conventionally "real." I can buy that! But if I were only >> here to know about static or conventionally "real" things, I should be >> satisfied reading the dictionary and encyclopedia. It would all be there >> as deep as the ink on the page. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:51 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It also translates nice as reality is alway partly illusive and all >>> illusions are partly real >>> hello Marsha >>> Adrie >>> >>> >>> 2013/4/6 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> Hey Joe, >>>> >>>> Hmmmm. Directly perceiving Dynamic Quality, seems to me, makes all >>>> "things" and even patterns false: illusions and phantoms (ghosts). That >>>> does not translate into meaningless. Patterns exist as value. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha, >>>> with echo in head "Marsha, you think too much!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Joe, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, unknowable in the sense that there is a known and knower, so not >>>> "conceptually knowable." How about known through direct perception? I >> have >>>> stated that DQ can be directly experienced and known like one knows the >> tea >>>> is hot when one is drinking it. Can this be true? Problem is that I >> can >>>> directly perceive, in such a manner, that there is a coiled snake ahead >> of >>>> me in the road, only to find out later that such certainty was unfounded >>>> and what I experienced was merely a coiled rope. On discovering that >> what >>>> I was seeing was, indeed, a coiled rope, what I do know with certainty >> was >>>> that it was NOT a coiled snake. This is why I accept the idea that the >>>> best way to discover Truth is by discovering what is false. >>>>> >>>>> But having written the above, I will leave the issue open for further >>>> investigation. Perhaps Steve Hagen's book will offer some insight on >> the >>>> subject of perceptions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi MarshaV and All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no sense of what you mean by "unknowable" DQ? Unknowable is >> not >>>> the >>>>>> same as indefinable in DQ (indefinable) SQ (definable) metaphysics. >>>>>> "Unknowable" means a barrier to the contact of the faculty for >>>> knowledge. >>>>>> Indefinable accepts a direct contact in consciousness without >> language. >>>>>> "What was that?" DQ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/2/13 5:31 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> DQ is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable"; the term 'indivisible' >>>> pointing >>>>>>> to monism, non-dualistic: indeterminate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> parser >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
