You will find the depth of the ocean under the waves and surface, but they are symbiotic.
2013/4/6 MarshaV <[email protected]> > Hi Adrie, > > Statically or conventionally "real." I can buy that! But if I were only > here to know about static or conventionally "real" things, I should be > satisfied reading the dictionary and encyclopedia. It would all be there > as deep as the ink on the page. > > > Marsha > > On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:51 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It also translates nice as reality is alway partly illusive and all > > illusions are partly real > > hello Marsha > > Adrie > > > > > > 2013/4/6 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Hey Joe, > >> > >> Hmmmm. Directly perceiving Dynamic Quality, seems to me, makes all > >> "things" and even patterns false: illusions and phantoms (ghosts). That > >> does not translate into meaningless. Patterns exist as value. > >> > >> > >> Marsha, > >> with echo in head "Marsha, you think too much!" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Joe, > >>> > >>> > >>> Yes, unknowable in the sense that there is a known and knower, so not > >> "conceptually knowable." How about known through direct perception? I > have > >> stated that DQ can be directly experienced and known like one knows the > tea > >> is hot when one is drinking it. Can this be true? Problem is that I > can > >> directly perceive, in such a manner, that there is a coiled snake ahead > of > >> me in the road, only to find out later that such certainty was unfounded > >> and what I experienced was merely a coiled rope. On discovering that > what > >> I was seeing was, indeed, a coiled rope, what I do know with certainty > was > >> that it was NOT a coiled snake. This is why I accept the idea that the > >> best way to discover Truth is by discovering what is false. > >>> > >>> But having written the above, I will leave the issue open for further > >> investigation. Perhaps Steve Hagen's book will offer some insight on > the > >> subject of perceptions. > >>> > >>> > >>> Marsha > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi MarshaV and All, > >>>> > >>>> I have no sense of what you mean by "unknowable" DQ? Unknowable is > not > >> the > >>>> same as indefinable in DQ (indefinable) SQ (definable) metaphysics. > >>>> "Unknowable" means a barrier to the contact of the faculty for > >> knowledge. > >>>> Indefinable accepts a direct contact in consciousness without > language. > >>>> "What was that?" DQ! > >>>> > >>>> Joe > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/2/13 5:31 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> DQ is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable"; the term 'indivisible' > >> pointing > >>>>> to monism, non-dualistic: indeterminate. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
