Hi Marsha, "It's analogy all the way down and all the way out, and not a problem if we cannot always understand each other."
What do you mean by saying that its not a problem if we cannot understand each other? On 09/04/2013, at 7:08 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > It's analogy all the way down and all the way out, and not a problem if we > cannot always understand each other. I hope you _understand_ that I use the > term 'indeterminate' because "Quality is indivisible, undefinable and > unknowable" and my explanation had no relationship to the philosophical > determinacy/indeterminacy problem, in spite of the noisy straw dog. > > Where to put sensations is interesting and sometimes a fun place to play, > though I don't believe it to be dependent on what is workable and useful in > explanation. Schopenhauer had some good thoughts on the subject. I remember > presenting some A.S. posts on perceiving apples. > > And I certainly find it hard to believe you mind being obscure. What to do > with consciousness is also interesting and deserving a good story. I don't > believe the intellectual (static) MoQ is suppose to represent the Absolute > Truth: > > "Strictly speaking, the creation of any metaphysics is an immoral act since > it's a lower form of evolution, intellect, trying to devour a higher mystic > one. The same thing that's wrong with philosophology when it tries to control > and devour philosophy is wrong with metaphysics when it tries to devour the > world intellectually. It attempts to capture the Dynamic within a static > pattern. But it never does. You never get it right. So why try? > > "It's like trying to construct a perfect unassailable chess game. No matter > how smart you are you're never going to play a game that is 'right' for all > people at all times, everywhere. Answers to ten questions led to a hundred > more and answers to those led to a thousand more. Not only would he never get > it right; the longer he worked on it the wronger it would probably get." > > (RMP, 'LILA', Chapter 32) > > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi MarshaV and All, > > I sense no urgency in trying to come to grips with metaphysics. MOQ tweaks > the logic of SOM! I am not convinced that I have a proper conception of > logic. An open forum seems to be the most rewarding test for logic. I am > sorry I am so obscure. Good luck to you! > > Joe > > > On 4/7/13 4:21 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> You're on your own. I am not sure what you are talking about. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Apr 7, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha V and All, >>> >>> SOM's theory of how we know things was through abstraction of the essence >>> from reality by the mind, giving it intentional existence in the mind using >>> a definable word form from a template of previous experience. >>> >>> MOQ, Pirsig suggests knowledge is the direct experience of reality DQ/SQ. >>> Dreams can follow that experiential reality, creating analogues mocking >>> reality? >>> >>> How can I know indefinable DQ? For me consciousness seems to be the only >>> reality that identifies a capability of an indefinable direct experience of >>> DQ. Dreams are interesting and creative mocking consciousness. They seem >>> so real. Nightmares! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/13 9:50 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> What do you mean by 'direct perception'? To the question "What is that?", >>>> the mind may adjust the visual data, but not apply language? Or do you >>>> have >>>> a >>>> different explanation? > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
