Hi David, Hmmm. Did you mean 'What do you mean by saying that its not a problem if we cannot ALWAYS understand each other?' Marsha
On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:28 AM, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > "It's analogy all the way down and all the way out, and not a problem if we > cannot always understand each other." > > What do you mean by saying that its not a problem if we cannot understand > each other? > > On 09/04/2013, at 7:08 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> It's analogy all the way down and all the way out, and not a problem if we >> cannot always understand each other. I hope you _understand_ that I use the >> term 'indeterminate' because "Quality is indivisible, undefinable and >> unknowable" and my explanation had no relationship to the philosophical >> determinacy/indeterminacy problem, in spite of the noisy straw dog. >> >> Where to put sensations is interesting and sometimes a fun place to play, >> though I don't believe it to be dependent on what is workable and useful in >> explanation. Schopenhauer had some good thoughts on the subject. I remember >> presenting some A.S. posts on perceiving apples. >> >> And I certainly find it hard to believe you mind being obscure. What to do >> with consciousness is also interesting and deserving a good story. I don't >> believe the intellectual (static) MoQ is suppose to represent the Absolute >> Truth: >> >> "Strictly speaking, the creation of any metaphysics is an immoral act since >> it's a lower form of evolution, intellect, trying to devour a higher mystic >> one. The same thing that's wrong with philosophology when it tries to >> control and devour philosophy is wrong with metaphysics when it tries to >> devour the world intellectually. It attempts to capture the Dynamic within a >> static pattern. But it never does. You never get it right. So why try? >> >> "It's like trying to construct a perfect unassailable chess game. No matter >> how smart you are you're never going to play a game that is 'right' for all >> people at all times, everywhere. Answers to ten questions led to a hundred >> more and answers to those led to a thousand more. Not only would he never >> get it right; the longer he worked on it the wronger it would probably get." >> >> (RMP, 'LILA', Chapter 32) >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi MarshaV and All, >> >> I sense no urgency in trying to come to grips with metaphysics. MOQ tweaks >> the logic of SOM! I am not convinced that I have a proper conception of >> logic. An open forum seems to be the most rewarding test for logic. I am >> sorry I am so obscure. Good luck to you! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 4/7/13 4:21 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hi Joe, >>> >>> You're on your own. I am not sure what you are talking about. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha V and All, >>>> >>>> SOM's theory of how we know things was through abstraction of the essence >>>> from reality by the mind, giving it intentional existence in the mind using >>>> a definable word form from a template of previous experience. >>>> >>>> MOQ, Pirsig suggests knowledge is the direct experience of reality DQ/SQ. >>>> Dreams can follow that experiential reality, creating analogues mocking >>>> reality? >>>> >>>> How can I know indefinable DQ? For me consciousness seems to be the only >>>> reality that identifies a capability of an indefinable direct experience of >>>> DQ. Dreams are interesting and creative mocking consciousness. They seem >>>> so real. Nightmares! >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/6/13 9:50 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What do you mean by 'direct perception'? To the question "What is >>>>> that?", >>>>> the mind may adjust the visual data, but not apply language? Or do you >>>>> have >>>>> a >>>>> different explanation? >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
