Hi Ant --

On May 28 3:46 PM, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote:

Ham,

The impression I have of Ayn Rand is derived from two sources;
two authorities if you like:

The first is an article termed "Confessions of a recovering objectivist"
by Victoria Bekeiempis.  It can be found via the following link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/10/confessions-recovering
objectivist-ayn-rand

The second authority is Dr Greg Alvord (the guy who wrote the Pirsig
PhD Commentary which can be found via the following link:
http://robertpirsig.org/PhD%20Addendum.htm ).

It comes as somewhat of a disappointment that someone of your intellect and philosophical learning would "derive his impression" of so well known an author as Ayn Rand from a third-party source. I'm sure you must have read "For the New Intellectual", "An Introduction to objectivist Epistemology", or "The Virtue of Selfishness", or are at least familiar with "Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged" which, much like Pirsig's novels, express her philosophy in terms of character relations.

Now the Guardian newspaper is a little bit "establishment" for my liking but, as Pirsig also recognises, its opinions can - on the whole - be trusted. I therefore didn't get a good impression of Rand (or her ideas) when I read the following:

"Much to the lament of my philosophy classmates, I was that girl who frequently (and loudly!) argued in favor of Rand's illogical claims that altruism doesn't exist; that selfishness is a virtue; and that 'rational egoism' is the only right way to live."
"Thankfully, I grew out of that phase. ..."

Forget what the "authorities" say; what impression did you get from her actual writing?

The central principle in all of Rand's works is Individualism. She believed that we are born as free individuals with the capacity to live by the morality of our own rational self-interest, that we have no moral duty to sacrifice our life for others, let alone share our wealth for the sake of social "equality", which only stifles individual initiative and fosters dependency. You and your politically correct authorities may regard that as "selfishness", but it is the natural order of human achievement and free enterprise that, until recently, contributed to America's success as a free nation.

You quote Bekeiempis as saying, "Go ahead and claim all human acts come from self-interest, fine. This seems kind of silly, however, when the morality of said selfish acts will still be measured by how altruistic they seem."

Who cares "how altruistic they seem"? Since when is altruism the measure of moral behavior? Self-interest "should absolutely not play a role in policy-making – especially when the end result would be disastrous, " she says. Has free-market capitalism ever been a disaster? This statement is sillier than the examples she gives.

Now my second authority for Rand is Dr Greg Alvord, who like Bekeiempis
"fell under Rand's spell" as a young undergraduate and then "grew out of"
her ideas when he discovered East Asian philosophy and then Pirsig.
Alvord read "Atlas Shrugged" in his 20s, took the protaganist in the book
as a role model for a few years but now dismisses it as young person's folly.
Likewise only a fool would dismiss Alvord's opinion in this regard; he has
published over a 100 academic papers (not even many full-time academics
do that in a lifetime!) and is now Director of the National Cancer Institute in
Maryland.

I therefore have difficulty in taking Rand seriously as a philosopher even
worth looking at.  I hope you can also see from the above why I defined
Rand as essentially a hippy; that is to say essentially "a freedom loving
irresponsible drag on society"!

Alvor's success demonstrates the practicality of following one's rational self-interest. To use that as the reason "only a fool would dismiss Alvord's opinion" is ingenuous and sounds to me more like cronyism than a logical conclusion from a Ph.D.

The more worrying issue - as an outsider to American politics - is that
such a writer is being taken seriously (at least on the surface) by some
elements of the Republican party.  Then again, maybe this should come of
no surprize because if the American Right took on board a philosopher
(such as Noam Chomsky) who promoted global intellectual values (such as
free speech and justice for all) rather than biological or social values
(as Rand seems to be doing) then its policies would be in danger of becoming
too progressive!

"Free speech and justice" are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, not global intellectualists, and Chomsky is a left-wing anarchist who thinks the United States is a major source of international terrorism! We have enough of a problem funding our current Commander-in-Chief to micromanage America's economy without adding a philosopher of Chomsky's brand to the White House staff.

I appreciate your taking the time to defend the Ayn Rand snippets, Ant. But, frankly, I'm not impressed with this critique. Perhaps we would accomplish more by sticking with RMP's Qualityism, which you know well, rather than attempting to reconcile opposing political ideologies. I'm sure Horse would agree.


Essentially speaking,
Ham


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