Dear Marsha
Please just meditate over one single word you write or read. > Jan, > > Though I am stupid, seeing is still an experience of now, now, now... > > > Marsha > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> That is just a stupid thing to say Marsha. >> >> Most of us here know what you have said and also what standpoint you're >> going to take tomorrow. >> >> Concepts about time, the past and the future are high quality patterns. >> >> Take it easy my dear >> >>> >>> Jan, >>> >>> You cannot see where you have been. >>> You cannot see where you are going. >>> You can only see now, now, now... >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 29, 2013, at 6:11 AM, X <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Jan >>>> We can not see where we are going only where we have been.. >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ron >>>>> >>>>> Literally that would be like a rear-view mirror mounted on top of the >>>>> intellectual level? :-) >>>>> >>>>> I can take that. But no one is driving by looking into that, most >>>>> motorcycle riders look forward at the road, using a map to find the way, >>>>> to Bozeman for example. >>>>> >>>>> J A Andersson >>>>> >>>>>> Mr Anders, >>>>>> I think the copplestone quote sheds a little light on the subject, the >>>>>> one where >>>>>> it is stated that truth is the highest intellectual pattern but..it is >>>>>> subordinate >>>>>> to intellectual quality. >>>>>> >>>>>> What does that mean? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it means that the best truths are those that support the best of >>>>>> the lower >>>>>> forms of quality, excellence in mind body and environment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That not only is the test of truth its use in the flow of experience but >>>>>> also its overall >>>>>> excellence and worth to the human species as a whole. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> .. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear women and gentlemen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The original question seemed to me as a kind of IQ quiz, you know, like >>>>>>> the series of 4 symbols that evolve in some weird pattern and there is >>>>>>> an empty space for the fifth that should be filled in. I like that kind >>>>>>> of challenges but I don't cry if I can't do it right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What the four levels have in common is that the latter is built on and >>>>>>> dependant on the former, but doing it by its own purpose. Right? >>>>>>> A fifth MOQ level should thus be based on the intellectual level but >>>>>>> with its own purpose. >>>>>>> So what is the purpose of MOQ. Is it dependant on the intellectual >>>>>>> level? Is it just a branch of the old "New age" spirituality? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't claim that MOQ is the best and the only way to describe its >>>>>>> precedent levels of pattern, but to me the perspective point, the value >>>>>>> base for MOQ concepts, concepts ABOUT intellectual concepts, should be >>>>>>> found somewhere outside the intellectual level. This "About" deserves >>>>>>> that theres is a distance from what is observed and discussed. >>>>>>> Otherwise it would run into an infinite loop of intellectuality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe this is just the base for Excellence, the Intellectual Quality >>>>>>> Experience of The MOQ Value or where do you think it is? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan Anders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jan-Anders said: >>>>>>>> In my view, MOQ IS at the 5th level, because metaphysics is based >>>>>>>> "above", or "outside" the intellectual level. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dmb says: >>>>>>>> Metaphysics is above the intellectual level? Metaphysics is just a >>>>>>>> branch of philosophy. It's the area of philosophy that deals with the >>>>>>>> most basic questions like, "what is reality made of?" and "how can we >>>>>>>> have knowledge?". Why do we need a whole other level of reality for >>>>>>>> that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm guessing that you take "metaphysics" to mean something that it >>>>>>>> does not mean. New Age spirituality, or something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ron: >>>>>>>> Thanks for endeavoring to clear that up Dave because I believe that is >>>>>>>> the core of alot of misunderstanding here. >>>>>>>> It needs to be hammered on. The consequences of equating MoQ with >>>>>>>> "reality" are so great and far reaching >>>>>>>> that it pretty much is a case of solving by redefining, you are still >>>>>>>> stuck in the assumption that concepts are reality. >>>>>>>> Now some may beg to argue that concepts are reality, that static >>>>>>>> patterns are the flux of experience but then >>>>>>>> we must ask how this differs from positivism. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think there are quite a few who do think metaphysics is a new age >>>>>>>> spirituality, this error in understanding >>>>>>>> accounts for much of the assertions of Bodvars theories and mistakes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This has always perplexed me that people here, on a philosophy forum, >>>>>>>> do not take the time nor the effort >>>>>>>> to research what it is we are talking about, we are on computers for >>>>>>>> cryin out loud anyone can look up >>>>>>>> any word or concept and instantly gain a better understanding of the >>>>>>>> terms and the theories as they are >>>>>>>> commonly understood and call them into question when used out of >>>>>>>> context or inappropriately. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Arlo had a point, I think some here are in it for the AA meeting >>>>>>>> quality and are not interested in the philosophical >>>>>>>> aspect, that shit is too square. When somebody points out that this is >>>>>>>> a philosophy forum and not an AA meeting >>>>>>>> they get shouted down as a dogmatist, dialectician, academic, SOMist . >>>>>>>> Any time the living philosophy aspect >>>>>>>> of this forum emerges it gets shut down by a disagreement of the very >>>>>>>> basics of intellectual quality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
