Jan, Though I am stupid, seeing is still an experience of now, now, now...
Marsha On May 29, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > That is just a stupid thing to say Marsha. > > Most of us here know what you have said and also what standpoint you're going > to take tomorrow. > > Concepts about time, the past and the future are high quality patterns. > > Take it easy my dear > >> >> Jan, >> >> You cannot see where you have been. >> You cannot see where you are going. >> You can only see now, now, now... >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 6:11 AM, X <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Jan >>> We can not see where we are going only where we have been.. >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ron >>>> >>>> Literally that would be like a rear-view mirror mounted on top of the >>>> intellectual level? :-) >>>> >>>> I can take that. But no one is driving by looking into that, most >>>> motorcycle riders look forward at the road, using a map to find the way, >>>> to Bozeman for example. >>>> >>>> J A Andersson >>>> >>>>> Mr Anders, >>>>> I think the copplestone quote sheds a little light on the subject, the >>>>> one where >>>>> it is stated that truth is the highest intellectual pattern but..it is >>>>> subordinate >>>>> to intellectual quality. >>>>> >>>>> What does that mean? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think it means that the best truths are those that support the best of >>>>> the lower >>>>> forms of quality, excellence in mind body and environment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That not only is the test of truth its use in the flow of experience but >>>>> also its overall >>>>> excellence and worth to the human species as a whole. >>>>> >>>>> -Ron >>>>> >>>>> .. >>>>> >>>>> Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear women and gentlemen >>>>>> >>>>>> The original question seemed to me as a kind of IQ quiz, you know, like >>>>>> the series of 4 symbols that evolve in some weird pattern and there is >>>>>> an empty space for the fifth that should be filled in. I like that kind >>>>>> of challenges but I don't cry if I can't do it right. >>>>>> >>>>>> What the four levels have in common is that the latter is built on and >>>>>> dependant on the former, but doing it by its own purpose. Right? >>>>>> A fifth MOQ level should thus be based on the intellectual level but >>>>>> with its own purpose. >>>>>> So what is the purpose of MOQ. Is it dependant on the intellectual >>>>>> level? Is it just a branch of the old "New age" spirituality? >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't claim that MOQ is the best and the only way to describe its >>>>>> precedent levels of pattern, but to me the perspective point, the value >>>>>> base for MOQ concepts, concepts ABOUT intellectual concepts, should be >>>>>> found somewhere outside the intellectual level. This "About" deserves >>>>>> that theres is a distance from what is observed and discussed. Otherwise >>>>>> it would run into an infinite loop of intellectuality. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe this is just the base for Excellence, the Intellectual Quality >>>>>> Experience of The MOQ Value or where do you think it is? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan Anders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan-Anders said: >>>>>>> In my view, MOQ IS at the 5th level, because metaphysics is based >>>>>>> "above", or "outside" the intellectual level. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dmb says: >>>>>>> Metaphysics is above the intellectual level? Metaphysics is just a >>>>>>> branch of philosophy. It's the area of philosophy that deals with the >>>>>>> most basic questions like, "what is reality made of?" and "how can we >>>>>>> have knowledge?". Why do we need a whole other level of reality for >>>>>>> that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm guessing that you take "metaphysics" to mean something that it does >>>>>>> not mean. New Age spirituality, or something? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron: >>>>>>> Thanks for endeavoring to clear that up Dave because I believe that is >>>>>>> the core of alot of misunderstanding here. >>>>>>> It needs to be hammered on. The consequences of equating MoQ with >>>>>>> "reality" are so great and far reaching >>>>>>> that it pretty much is a case of solving by redefining, you are still >>>>>>> stuck in the assumption that concepts are reality. >>>>>>> Now some may beg to argue that concepts are reality, that static >>>>>>> patterns are the flux of experience but then >>>>>>> we must ask how this differs from positivism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think there are quite a few who do think metaphysics is a new age >>>>>>> spirituality, this error in understanding >>>>>>> accounts for much of the assertions of Bodvars theories and mistakes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This has always perplexed me that people here, on a philosophy forum, >>>>>>> do not take the time nor the effort >>>>>>> to research what it is we are talking about, we are on computers for >>>>>>> cryin out loud anyone can look up >>>>>>> any word or concept and instantly gain a better understanding of the >>>>>>> terms and the theories as they are >>>>>>> commonly understood and call them into question when used out of >>>>>>> context or inappropriately. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arlo had a point, I think some here are in it for the AA meeting >>>>>>> quality and are not interested in the philosophical >>>>>>> aspect, that shit is too square. When somebody points out that this is >>>>>>> a philosophy forum and not an AA meeting >>>>>>> they get shouted down as a dogmatist, dialectician, academic, SOMist . >>>>>>> Any time the living philosophy aspect >>>>>>> of this forum emerges it gets shut down by a disagreement of the very >>>>>>> basics of intellectual quality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .. >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
